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Post by sonofbarcelonabob on Apr 21, 2005 23:39:53 GMT -5
I wonder if Don Shaw regrets his decision to move to the Men's team. He certainly hasn't improved on the product. Actually, that was the main reason Big Daddy left the women's program and went to the men's program - he wanted a lower level of stress. He's probably comfortable where he's at. Don't look for anything great out of Stanford anytime soon - I think they'll continue to be mid-to-bottom feeder in the MPSF for a long time - in addition to having the same difficulty recruiting that USC does, they have a coach who is pretty much okay with the status quo of the program. |
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Post by southerncalivball on Apr 22, 2005 0:49:07 GMT -5
Hansen has helped this team a lot, and he is the only reason there as highly ranked as they are. With him graduating they should be down at the bottom of the MPSF with UCSD and USC next year.
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Post by sjhaysuess on Apr 22, 2005 1:04:55 GMT -5
Oh snap...
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Post by OC4 on Apr 22, 2005 1:33:14 GMT -5
in addition to having the same difficulty recruiting that USC does, they have a coach who is pretty much okay with the status quo of the program. Actually they have a lot harder time recruiting than USC does because not only is Stanford really expensive, it's also MUCH harder to get into than USC. Shaw works pretty hard to recruit good talent, but there's not very many guys out there who are all that talented and also have the academic performance to make it into Stanford. |
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Post by sonofbarcelonabob on Apr 22, 2005 1:38:46 GMT -5
Actually they have a lot harder time recruiting than USC does because not only is Stanford really expensive, it's also MUCH harder to get into than USC. Shaw works pretty hard to recruit good talent, but there's not very many guys out there who are all that talented and also have the academic performance to make it into Stanford. That doesn't fly. Stanford had no problems recruiting top athletes into their program for most of the late 80's and all the way through the 90's. What makes it so much different now? Stanford has ALWAYS been expensive and ALWAYS had the highest admissions standards. Are we to believe that the athletes of today are dumber and poorer than the athletes of years past? |
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Post by OC4 on Apr 22, 2005 2:44:42 GMT -5
it is tougher to get into now than it used to be, largely due to affirmative action programs (different debate, I know)... and the MVB program there for the past few years has not carried any sort of admission priviledges like some of the other sports have, only in the past 1-2 years has the school realized they were strangling the program by not giving MVB the same priority as other sports. That is why Stanford has been able to sign some larger freshmen classes this year and last.
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Post by StanfordFan on Apr 22, 2005 12:03:26 GMT -5
It's actually much harder to get into simply because there are a lot more applicants and much more competition now. Plus, with prep classes and college counseling services and such, it's much easier to get artificially high test scores. It's true not only for Stanford, but for all the Ivy League schools, MIT, Cal Tech, etc. it is tougher to get into now than it used to be, largely due to affirmative action programs (different debate, I know)... and the MVB program there for the past few years has not carried any sort of admission priviledges like some of the other sports have, only in the past 1-2 years has the school realized they were strangling the program by not giving MVB the same priority as other sports. That is why Stanford has been able to sign some larger freshmen classes this year and last. |
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Post by Slander on Apr 23, 2005 15:41:07 GMT -5
From an insiders perspective, you all have no idea what you are talking about. Stanford has gotten exponentially harder to get into for volleyball. For Football or for basketball...definately easier, for volleyball hard. The Stanford men's volleyball team last year was the first men's collegiate volleyball team ever to be named as an all-academic team (I think thats the name of it but chedck the article if you need proof)(http://gostanford.collegesports.com/sports/m-volley/spec-rel/080304aaa.html). That means that not only did they have outrageously high G.P.A's but also did it while playing sports and taking classes at Stanford. Also, aside from their personal accomplishments some of the nation's top recruits have been turned down with scores in the mid 1400's on the old system. And, good players with extensive legacy (a big plus in the admission system), wealth, 1400-1500 SAT score and currrently attending highly respected prep schools find themselves rejected. Explain that?
Most recently O' Malley got rejected from Stanford. O' Malley having the same level of test score as well as straight A's. Explain that.
Futhermore, having been friends with many youth volleyball players, I know the majority from the LA/OC area would rather "chill out" all day than even attempt their homework. After all, they can get C's and still get signed in Nov by most other programs. Don't even try to deny that.
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Post by sjhaysuess on Apr 23, 2005 16:10:24 GMT -5
Yeah, and Matt Ceran had high scores on SAT's. I got higher scores than he did so why don't you explain that.
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Post by AAVolley on Apr 23, 2005 16:17:20 GMT -5
Was that sarcastic? From what I hear Matt Ceran did have very high SATs (1400s), went to one of the top private schools in California, and was highly visible as a starter on an SCVC team that won multiple JO gold medals... Haysuess I imagine you can't necessarily say the same?
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Post by sjhaysuess on Apr 23, 2005 16:20:32 GMT -5
From what I hear, friends of his, matt had less than 1200 on the SAT's. So who knows which source is right. My point was that Slander thinks that schools don't give special preferences to athletes if they aren't normally accepted. Just because O'Malley didn't get accepted doesn't mean that they turn away recruits with lower SAT's and GPA's than his, because they don't.
BTW how did a thread about Stanford VS CSUN turn into this?
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Post by AAVolley on Apr 23, 2005 18:22:08 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure my sources are accurate and I guarantee no volleyball player with below a 1200 would have a prayer of getting into Stanford no matter how good they are. Stanford may help athletes in some capacity, but even with that assistance, the bar for admission is still WAY higher than any other MPSF school.
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Post by Slander on Apr 25, 2005 13:11:58 GMT -5
No haysuess, my point is that Stanford doesn't pull strings for volleyball BUT all other schools can and do.
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Post by Vball818 on Apr 25, 2005 19:04:23 GMT -5
Getting this thread back to Stanford vs CSUN here are some quotes from players and coaches about CSUN's in-match victory against Stanford this past Wednesday. "I knew this was going to be my last home game, so I might have been a little more focused(and) a little more amped and ready to hit the ball," Nielsen said. "I wanted to win. The whole team wanted to win. I was focused, I was ready to play and if Jeff(Conover) sets me the ball and I'm killing the ball he will keep going to me." "Getting a big block in a game is huge," said Waite, who had nine blocks on the evening. "(It's) a big momentum swing and suddenly the other team is on their heels reeling back, trying to get themselves back into their game plan again. Blocks are huge in volleyball." - CSUN middle blocker Brian Waite --- "In the course of a three to five game match, the best team wins," said Cardinal head coach Don Shaw. "In game three we could have used a break here or there. When you don't get too many of them, that can be the turning point in a match. It really hurt(us tonight). "We're not very deep and we don't have a lot of fire power. Northridge has firepower. Nils has carried the team all season. In fact,(he has carried the team) most of his career. When you can set someone 51 times, you've got fire power." If you want to read more about this match, here is the link - sundial.csun.edu/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/04/24/42696173dd6ec |
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Post by wornjersey on Apr 25, 2005 19:17:51 GMT -5
All of Stanford's volleyball recruits have amazing test scores and grades as well as great recommendations and accomplishments in areas besides sports. Whether or not you want to accept that, Haysuess, it is a fact. I bet the coaching staff sometimes wishes that was not the case because in recent years it has lost many terrific volleyball players who wanted to go there but could not gain admittance.
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