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Post by thevolleymaster on May 1, 2005 14:26:57 GMT -5
UCLA gets at large bid to the final four. Do you think they deserve it? I certainly don't think so. Regardless of criteria and what not, who deserved the at large long beach or ucla? WHO DESERVED IT MORE? definitely not ucla. Nice job Al Scates, u pulled off another bs politics miracle
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Post by champer on May 1, 2005 14:32:54 GMT -5
i certainly agree with you on this one! long beach state deserved that bid. honestly, politics prevailed! that sucks! ucla going to a final four without even making it to the final four of their own conference!
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Post by messy on May 1, 2005 14:58:51 GMT -5
congratulations al scates... Not only have you succeeded in taking something that you did not deserve but you have also succeeded in the undermining and weakening of the entire men's volleyball tournement system. You have proved that politics is more powerful than the truth... The truth that Long Beach State deserves at large bid.
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Post by bigfan on May 1, 2005 14:59:03 GMT -5
Sad news
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Post by hwy101 on May 1, 2005 15:03:42 GMT -5
Has someone notified Beachman yet?
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Post by bigfan on May 1, 2005 15:07:11 GMT -5
Has someone notified Beachman yet? He is busy ripping Barboza on the women's board.
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Post by blob on May 1, 2005 15:14:16 GMT -5
He is busy ripping Barboza on the women's board. That is classic!! ;D
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Post by Rocky on May 1, 2005 15:20:52 GMT -5
This is disappointing. However, I felt all along that the only way to keep UCLA out of the final four was that someone needed to beat Pepperdine. CSUN came close last Thursday. Too bad CSUN and Long Beach could not pull off an upset.
It is unfortunate that the selection criteria does not look into how the teams are playing at the end. To stop this from happening in the future you need to change the criteria.
Good luck to Penn State. I hope they beat UCLA. UCLA does not deserve to make it to the finals of the National Championships.
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Post by Ron Mexico on May 1, 2005 15:21:37 GMT -5
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Post by OC4 on May 1, 2005 15:37:37 GMT -5
Does this really surprise anybody? UCLA was clearly superior in all of the selection criteria.... Long Beach had 3 game losses to Pacific and Stanford while UCLA's only bad loss was a 5 game narrow defeat by CSUN with many temporary health problems.
UCLA deserved the bid, end of story. Although I really hope Pepperdine gets it done this time around... I love seeing Scates lose.
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Post by sjhaysuess on May 1, 2005 15:43:52 GMT -5
Al Scates needs to be fired. After losing in the first round to CSUN, he still voted himself as the 1st place team in the coaches poll? What a joke...
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Post by TheProfessor on May 1, 2005 16:20:32 GMT -5
UCLA gets at large bid to the final four. Do you think they deserve it? I certainly don't think so. Regardless of criteria and what not, who deserved the at large long beach or ucla? WHO DESERVED IT MORE? definitely not ucla. Nice job Al Scates, u pulled off another bs politics miracle "Regardless of criteria and what not..." Oh, you crack me up. Yeah, who cares about overall record? Who cares about head-to-head matchups? LOL, when talking about a team that "deserves" to go, usually you'd think you'd actually want to consider how that team actually performed against its competition for the spot. Were you guys also complaining that Arizona did not "deserve" the 1997 NCAA title in men's basketball because they couldn't even finish in the top four in conference? You know, if the roles were reversed, I bet you would not be making the case for UCLA. Let's take a case similar to the 2002 season. Let's say UCLA's losses had come early in the season, and say they had lost to Pepperdine in the finals of the MPSF tournament. Would you say UCLA deserved to make the Final Four more than Hawaii did, after Hawaii won 2 out of 3 matches against UCLA that season?
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Post by northshore on May 1, 2005 16:37:26 GMT -5
They (UCLA) might have been superior in the selection criteria, which sounds ridiculous to me anyhow, but how about being superior on the court during finals. How about the criteria they lost in the first round of the MPSF tourney? I just don't get it. First and second place should go --- that's it.
I mean their conference record, as well as the conference records of 7 other teams, got them into the playoffs and that's wonderful and deserving. But then it should be a clean slate for everyone in the playoffs. No records, just plain old winning and losing. No second chances. The losers go home, the winners advance. Simple. You lose , you snooze.
Here's something...Can you imagine the Boys' Junior Olympics being like this and using "the selection criteria" to determine who goes on to the finals? I can hear it now...."Our team had the best record all season, but we blew it in the finals. So we should get another chance." Blah, blah, blah.
Oh well, not much we can do now. Long Beach you were robbed!
Good luck to all of the Final Four teams. And Penn State, hope you give us all something to talk about....kick some UCLA hiney!
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Post by vb on May 1, 2005 17:03:23 GMT -5
UCLA practiced all week.....they already knew
Go PSU!
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Post by thevolleymaster on May 1, 2005 17:15:54 GMT -5
"Regardless of criteria and what not..." Oh, you crack me up. Yeah, who cares about overall record? Who cares about head-to-head matchups? LOL, when talking about a team that "deserves" to go, usually you'd think you'd actually want to consider how that team actually performed against its competition for the spot. Were you guys also complaining that Arizona did not "deserve" the 1997 NCAA title in men's basketball because they couldn't even finish in the top four in conference? You know, if the roles were reversed, I bet you would not be making the case for UCLA. Let's take a case similar to the 2002 season. Let's say UCLA's losses had come early in the season, and say they had lost to Pepperdine in the finals of the MPSF tournament. Would you say UCLA deserved to make the Final Four more than Hawaii did, after Hawaii won 2 out of 3 matches against UCLA that season? Tell me this professor, what is the point of playoffs in any sport if a team can lose in the first round and still make it to the final four? is this in any way logical? NO it doesn't make a damn bit of sense. UCLA is going because of Al Scates and his shady politics. I think Long Beach deserves to go for a lot of reasons, if you would like to know those reasons then just ask me. All you have to say is "Why should Long Beach State go over UCLA?" and i'll answer
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