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Post by sunnyca on Nov 29, 2009 17:03:49 GMT -5
Final Four prediction: #6 Washington vs. #10 Nebraska #1 Penn State vs. #4 Stanford i like your thinking.. and #4 Stanford over #10 Nebraska in the final.. well, we can all dream...  stanford getting to the FF would already make my year - #1 in the big-heart championships for this team. |
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Post by psumaui on Nov 29, 2009 17:04:29 GMT -5
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Post by silversurfer on Nov 29, 2009 17:05:16 GMT -5
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Post by ugopher on Nov 29, 2009 17:06:23 GMT -5
Whose? I found it on the NCAA site. I was checking ncaa.com. What is the address you have? Never mind. I guess it had been posted earlier but when I saw "photos" in the address I didn't think it was the bracket. |
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Post by catfan99 on Nov 29, 2009 17:09:57 GMT -5
Had to be because of the early season sweep of Illinois (another possibly over-rated team). They really don't have any other wins of note, although they have a five-set loss to Notre Dame. I'll be surprised if they get past Oregon. No way Michigan State even gets to play Oregon |
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Post by ugopher on Nov 29, 2009 17:30:49 GMT -5
Cal, Minnesota, Oregon, Washington and Hawaii are the seeds not hosting. Ohio State, Tennessee, Kentucky, CSU and USC are hosting instead. It was suggested at the Minnesota get together today that MN is the "Hawaii of the Midwest". Seriously, outside of Hawaii has there been another program who has been seeded and not hosted rounds 1&2 more than MN? I mean, Florida at a 16 seed gets to host rounds 1&2? It didn't help MN that NDSU lost their tournament. It would have given MN another team in the area who could have come in. And I agree that the comittee screwed the Big 12. No reason for that region. While I'm happy that Texas isn't coming to MN (providing MN makes it to their regional), Iowa State and Nebraska in their regional is wrong. ISU and Washington could have easily been swapped with Washington going to Omaha and ISU coming to MN. Would have been more fair. Unless they wanted to stay away from a possible ISU/MN rematch from earlier this year. But that reasoning doesn't hold given the conference match-ups between ISU and Nebraska. Michigan State. Teams I feel for are Albany and NDSU. Is it really necessary to take a team form a "power conference" who finishes last in their conference vs. a team who easily wins their conference but loses in their conference tournament championship? I mean MSU won ONE of their final eight matches. ONE! |
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Post by pennstate7188 on Nov 29, 2009 17:42:49 GMT -5
Regardless how many matches they won, they are all DI teams. Michigan State is head and shoulders better than a good portion of the DI teams in the bracket and they deserve to be there. The recent conference results don't have as much weight in the selection process as you think. That is secondary criteria.
MSU is the better team. They should get the bid. If MSU was in a weaker conference like the Sunbelt or something, no one would be complaining about it. Playing in a weak conference and playing at a substandard level than the rest of the DI world should get you a bid? No way. The better team deserves the spot.
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Post by udflyerskw on Nov 29, 2009 17:44:30 GMT -5
seriously is their this much contraversy over the NCAA brackets in basketball or in any other sports? it seems like volleyball always has the most out cry on the fairness of the brackets, compared to other sports... The Volleyball tournament is regional. The Men's basketball is not. It has eight pre-determined host sites, and they put two pods of four into one site (their sites are regional, 2 in the West, 2 in the East, 2 in the Central, 2 in the South). They seed all lines 1 vs 16, and can move a team up or down a line for conference reasons (no conference teams can meet before the regional final unless there's nine from one conference), or geography. Occasionally, you see clear cut evidence of this. In 2003, Dayton was a #4 seed and put in Spokane, WA. Notre Dame was the #5 seed and sent to Indianapolis. Notre Dame was the higher rated team. Notre Dame was regarded as the better team and expected to get a 4, while Dayton was looking at a 5-6. UD got a better seed, but shipped out West. The women's basketball is somewhere in the middle, but there's a much better balance of power by geography in basketball. Last year, SEVEN teams from the Mountain/Pacfic time zones made the NCAA Tournament, 57 from the Central/East. By comparison, the volleyball tournament has 17. With Florida A&M being 20 feet away that was obvious, and Jacksonville State was an easy one to figure, but to bring in Alabama A&M too! Wow! I thought they would bring in a 20-25 but they pretty much get a bye into the Sweet 16. The only downside is they have to leave Florida for the 2nd weekend. Then look at the LSU site (# = last week'ss RPI) #33 Tulane vs #12 LSU (third meeting of the year! They split home matches this season) #17 Arizona vs #41 Texas A&M Why didn't they do this? Alabama A&M vs LSU Tulane vs Texas A&M Florida A&M at Florida State Jacksonville St vs Arizona It's an hour extra flight for Arizona, and it's actually a CHEAPER flight. It's 100 miles more for Alabama A&M (400 to 500) |
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Post by curly on Nov 29, 2009 17:59:31 GMT -5
Michigan State. Teams I feel for are Albany and NDSU. Is it really necessary to take a team form a "power conference" who finishes last in their conference vs. a team who easily wins their conference but loses in their conference tournament championship? I mean MSU won ONE of their final eight matches. ONE! Michigan State swept Albany -13, -19, -16. MSU is #37 in RPI, NDSU is #45, Albany is #63. MSU is #48 in Pablo, NDSU is #78, Albany is #101. MSU had good (but losing) performances against four top-25 teams in their last four games. For example, their performance at Penn State on Friday was comparable to how Illinois and Michigan did there, and better than Minnesota did there. |
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Post by bucky415 on Nov 29, 2009 18:08:36 GMT -5
Minnesota just doesn't have any luck when it comes to travel. How the heck hard is it to fly teams to Minneapolis, for crying out loud. It is a hub, isn't it? It also doesn't help that Iowa St. has risen while Wisconsin has fallen, so the hosting that would have gone to the Gophers might go to the Cyclones instead.
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Post by vball24 on Nov 29, 2009 18:14:57 GMT -5
on the plus side for hawaii, maybe falyn will come to the game now and wish she was going to hawaii instead... oh wait that isn't really a plus nevermind...
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Post by Keystonekid on Nov 29, 2009 18:28:19 GMT -5
Michigan State. Teams I feel for are Albany and NDSU. Is it really necessary to take a team form a "power conference" who finishes last in their conference vs. a team who easily wins their conference but loses in their conference tournament championship? I mean MSU won ONE of their final eight matches. ONE! Michigan State swept Albany -13, -19, -16. MSU is #37 in RPI, NDSU is #45, Albany is #63. MSU is #48 in Pablo, NDSU is #78, Albany is #101. MSU had good (but losing) performances against four top-25 teams in their last four games. For example, their performance at Penn State on Friday was comparable to how Illinois and Michigan did there, and better than Minnesota did there. MSU lost 13 out of their last 16 matches. Its criminal that they got in. |
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Post by curly on Nov 29, 2009 18:33:31 GMT -5
MSU lost 13 out of their last 16 matches. Its criminal that they got in. Have you seen MSU play? As others here have said, they're better than their W-L record shows. |
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Post by OverAndUnder on Nov 29, 2009 18:44:14 GMT -5
WHERE THE HELL IS P-DUB??
I want to see some numerical prestidigitation that will re-assure me everything is all right with the world.
Give me some stats, STAT!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2009 19:04:22 GMT -5
Not only does Minnesota (again) get sent on the road as a seeded team, they have been handed a damned difficult task to get back home. I don't think there's ever been a host site school which has been treated this poorly.
I know it's just another gripe in a mountain of gripes, but this really does get old.
And the Big12 bracket is unprecedented.
If they are going to regionalize the thing, at least do it consistently. Don't pick and choose which teams get the royal shaft.
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