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Post by bigfan on Apr 25, 2006 10:29:38 GMT -5
It works b/c Marv is a legend (plus a decent guy). And the program has incredible stability. Add'l, if I'm paying, I'd rather spend my 4+ years in Malibu vs. the ghetto You think the new USC athletic center could help in attracting players?
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Post by volleyjunkie on Apr 25, 2006 11:17:42 GMT -5
As far as i know, recruiting in those private schools mentioned is a very difficult task. the 4.5 scholarship offer is a joke. title ix hurt small sports such as men's volley. those schools such as pepp, sc, stanford, all have to rely heavily on their walk-on players. because of the price of tuition every season is tough, because you have to mix and match the scholarships by splitting the money throughout 18 players. the new galen center will definitely help sc with recruiting. it will be the best facility in the country.
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Post by volleyjunkie on Apr 25, 2006 11:25:45 GMT -5
just doing a research on things, each of the schools i mentioned have huge selling points. pepp - has the beautiful malibu campus, the babes, and obviously one of the greatest coaches of all time. stanford - has the academics and the for-sure income that comes with the diploma. sc - has the football, and the babes, but is also located in the ghetto. this shows just how well Turhan did as a recruiter, he was able to get the top recruits to come to sc two years in a row. as far as i know he has at least three studs coming next season also.
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Post by fuzzball on Apr 25, 2006 11:28:53 GMT -5
Less we forget, the USC guy before Turhan had the program in a tail spin death spiral. Turhan stepped into a very difficult situation and has the program going in the right direction. Next year they will at least be in the playoffs. If there is a criticism of him, it is that he let Cory Yoder get away and commit to UCI. It was the right decision for him, but when you talk about USC VB history, Yoder is one of the names you have to start with. Ferguson may be a seamless replacement. He too is a nice guy, relates well to young players, and knows who's who in the junior ranks. Whether he has the dynamic personality to lift the program, remains to be seen.
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Post by CityTechLegend on Apr 25, 2006 11:39:11 GMT -5
Never met Turhan, but heard great things about the man. Coming from the ghettos of NY City and recruiting at a DIII school with a moderatly high tuition a few years back, I think Turhan did an awesome job recruiting players that have the potential of being great. He has set up SC well with a crop of solid YOUNG players. Their biggest problem though is height. Many of their players are 6'4" or shorter, but with the improved level of play they have exhibited I believe who ever the new coach is, Ferguson or who ever, they should be able to garner a better record some how in the future. Maybe once again back to the glory years of SC vs UCLA...Hov and POwers vs Sinjin and Karch....that would be nice.
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Post by Rocky on Apr 25, 2006 11:53:21 GMT -5
I am sorry to see Turhan resigning. Whether there was obvoius pressure from the University and/or alumni, I am sure he felt pressure. Every coach feels pressure to come into a program and make it better. Turhan made the program better. I am sure there are those that looked for a miracle. There are no miracle turn-arounds in NCAA Div I men's volleyball . . . it is just not possible. Baby steps is what you look for and that is what he did with USC. This year was HUGE in my opinion with the UCLA upset (yes, I know UCLA was down until Gonzalez returned) and the Pepperdine sweep. I was very impressed with the gains that the program has made since Turhan took over from Powers. I am very sorry to see him leave, but I totally understand.
Turhan will be missed. Good luck to you and enjoy your family!
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Post by bigfan on Apr 25, 2006 12:06:14 GMT -5
I am sorry to see Turhan resigning. Whether there was obvoius pressure from the University and/or alumni, I am sure he felt pressure. Every coach feels pressure to come into a program and make it better. Turhan made the program better. I am sure there are those that looked for a miracle. There are no miracle turn-arounds in NCAA Div I men's volleyball . . . it is just not possible. Baby steps is what you look for and that is what he did with USC. This year was HUGE in my opinion with the UCLA upset (yes, I know UCLA was down until Gonzalez returned) and the Pepperdine sweep. I was very impressed with the gains that the program has made since Turhan took over from Powers. I am very sorry to see him leave, but I totally understand. Turhan will be missed. Good luck to you and enjoy your family! Great synopsis of the Turhan reign. They were SLOWLY but urely IMPROVING!!!
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Post by strobe on Apr 25, 2006 15:00:36 GMT -5
It seems to me the writing was on the wall as soon as Ferguson was brought in. I also believe that was when the team started to improve. They seemed more diciplined and better focused. My guess was that the players had stopped listening to Turhan after all the losing and needed someone else who was familliar with many of the players. Bill Ferguson had coached or been involved with Jimmy Killean and CJ for most of their years in club play and he was well respected because of his JO winners at LAAC and SCVC. Bill is very organized and has a better knowledge of the recruiting area than Turhan. My understanding was that Turhan was a gteat guy but very unorginized.I would be very surprised if Boll doesn't end up with the job. Speking of coaching changes, I was curious to see Walt Kerr (yes Tony's Dad) assisting Al Scates at UCLA the last several matches. Walt is a great coach and he really appeared to be 'coaching' at the games he was on the bench. Is Al looking for his eventual replacement? ? Can't believe Walt would give up coaching his younger kids and his real estate practice for an assistant,s job?? Just curious.
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Post by Mac on Apr 25, 2006 15:18:57 GMT -5
Speaking of coaching changes, I was curious to see Walt Kerr (yes Tony's Dad) assisting Al Scates at UCLA the last several matches. Walt is a great coach and he really appeared to be 'coaching' at the games he was on the bench. Is Al looking for his eventual replacement? ? Can't believe Walt would give up coaching his younger kids and his real estate practice for an assistant,s job?? Just curious. Mike Sealy left abruptly mid-season to join the UH Women's program as asst. coach. Walt Ker was active and available with no notice to step in immediately, seamlessly.
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Post by bbk on Apr 25, 2006 16:40:58 GMT -5
First: There are only 4.5 schollies available at most for any Volleyball program in the NCAA. So all of the top programs have similar difficulties with attracting kids. SC , Rutgers and NJIT are in bad neighborhoods.
Second: Ferguson was a smart choice to be his successor.
Third: Hohenshelt is not a choice for SC that would be a huge mistake as he is not the coach anyone thinks he is. He is not an innovator by any means.
Fourth: Great man but a combination of pressure and family issues made lead him to this decision
Lastly: It will be a lot of more fun next season in the MPSF as there will be two new head coaches with Kosty and the USC head..... Also on the recuiting front because the new coaches will be on the road everywhere.
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Post by volleyjunkie on Apr 25, 2006 17:06:08 GMT -5
the post by strobe is a good outside view, but not really the right reasoning. it was Turhan that brought ferguson back in to sc. there was no writing on the wall. the reason sc did well this season, is because they are all finally the guys that turhan brought in. the main senior was turhan's first signed recruit in grangeiro. out of a group that consists of only two seniors and two juniors and the rest underclassmen, these are just the fruits of good recruiting by turhan. this squad was finally his squad, not the inherited one from powers. just as any other program with someone new at the helm, there will be lots of changes that occur, and once it all pans out, it gets better.
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Post by lalalaluuuke on Apr 26, 2006 0:16:16 GMT -5
IMO, if USC were willing and able, they would offer McGown the position and a place to live, rent free. Look how he's helped UH this year, just in an advisory role. Last year every day there were posts UH and their problems. Many on Delgado and several of UH's players and their problems with their coach. They bring in McGown and get immediate results. One of the top teams this year.
For that matter, BYU should have never let him go, but that is another story. Anyway SC should offer him the job and whatever support he needs and you would see immediate results. I don't think they would do it, but again, IMO they should.
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Post by ucivball on Apr 26, 2006 0:50:09 GMT -5
someone mentioned cory yoder being a big lost for sc. how good is yoder for him to be considered a big recruiting lost for coach douglas?
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Post by puwave on Apr 26, 2006 2:37:02 GMT -5
someone mentioned cory yoder being a big lost for sc. how good is yoder for him to be considered a big recruiting lost for coach douglas? Well first of all Cory Yoder is a solid player and one can only guess how his talent will translate to the Div 1 game... As for the "big recruiting loss" I would say most definitely, but maybe more b/c of the family lineage. Cory's dad and uncle both played for USC (winning a national championship) AND his dad was the USC head coach for another national championship team... Yoder family = USC By Cory choosing UCI (which looks even better now 6 months later) it was another reality check at just how far the USC program had fallen...
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Post by fuzzball on Apr 26, 2006 11:11:51 GMT -5
Cory will be a solid D-1 player. He's about 6'3" with an excellent vertical. His San Clemente coach calls him the best player he's ever coached. Had he gone to SC he most likely would have competed for Grangeiro's spot, but at UCI he would benefit from a redshirt year. If there is a knock on him, its that he is not as intense as his dad. But who is? Bob is a San Clemente legend and maybe the best player ever out of that area, Taliaferro notwithstanding.
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