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Post by UcantBSme on Apr 29, 2006 19:24:13 GMT -5
HA HA HA! I said over a month ago that IPFW was going to win out there, and sure enough. Loyola has been to something like 4 or 5 MIVA Finals and can't find a way to get it done. If you can't deal with the pressure, the big wins just aren't going to come.
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Post by BeachBoy on Apr 29, 2006 20:37:41 GMT -5
good call BS, glad to see we see eye to eye on something
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Post by vballfan4ever on Apr 29, 2006 21:07:36 GMT -5
Wow, I had a feeling it would happen again. I thought this time they would surely win, but I guess history was not on their side. Too bad, all the hard work and no reward at the end. Great season though. As they say, there is always next year.
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Post by bbk on Apr 29, 2006 23:10:42 GMT -5
Arnie Ball works his magic yet again....
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Post by midwestfan on Apr 29, 2006 23:16:00 GMT -5
Arnie Ball works his magic yet again.... I prefer this take on IPFW's win!!!
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Post by eiva on Apr 29, 2006 23:41:46 GMT -5
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Post by eiva on Apr 29, 2006 23:44:44 GMT -5
Loyola does not recruit the players needed to win at this level. Kinda like the Chicago Cubs (near Loyola), they have a team of "nice guys." A team needs atleast one SOB that refuses to lose to get to the next level.
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Post by gitrdun on Apr 30, 2006 5:43:14 GMT -5
Loyola does not recruit the players needed to win at this level. Kinda like the Chicago Cubs (near Loyola), they have a team of "nice guys." A team needs atleast one SOB that refuses to lose to get to the next level. Sounds like George Mason this year. Though you don't have to be an SOB to refuse to lose. Maybe hard-nosed, determined, relentless, dogged, opinionated, gritty, self-motivated, focused, but not an SOB.
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Post by goodbadugly on Apr 30, 2006 7:57:22 GMT -5
Doesn't sound like any of you were at the game, eh? But gitrdun described one of Loyola's guys: A double-double at 25, 11, and 2 aces. Also was chosen first team All-American yesterday. POY, deservedly, Chris Kozlarek. Perhaps the most well-rounded, versitile, and heady players in the nation. Arnie Ball is a wizard but I don't like his tactics. His "floppers" relentlessly over-wipe the floor and re-re-tie their shoes as momentum busters. It works but it is cheap. They were mostly gentlemen yesterday because they were winning. When they lose they are consummate whiners, from top to bottom. But they played exceptionally well, especially their setter. Kozlarek thoroughly outplayed Macias (but he good, on "O") AGAIN for the third time this year. Loyola fell to the UCI and UH syndrome of "not showing up." But they didn't give up and they didn't whine and question every call. A team of good character, led by a stand-up coach Shane Davis. Good luck to IPFW. Represent the MIVA well, boys, but quit wiping, whining, tying, and mouthing off. Shutup and win.
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Post by spcttr on Apr 30, 2006 8:09:53 GMT -5
It is up to the officials to manage those "tactics." If it gets out of hand, then the refs need to handle it. As for Ball and his players, it is smart. They are not breaking any rules, nor are they taking short-cuts or being bad sports. If these things truly had any effect on Loyola and their ability to win the match, then Loyola needs to look at themselves in the mirror. Those things shouldn't get in the heads of even high school players. Waiting an extra 30 seconds for someone to wipe the floor or tie their shoe should not make getting to the Final Four difficult. And I am sure Davis and his players would agree. Like you, I watched that match. IPFW played better, when their shoes were tied and untied.
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Post by goodbadugly on Apr 30, 2006 8:32:12 GMT -5
Sorry spcttr, but I disagree, and officials rarely--if ever-- adjudicate "tactics" such as these. It is bush-league play. Win the "right" way. Follow the rules of your conscience. It is a matter of principle. If you know it is wrong, don't do it. Period. But again, even without the questionable behavior they would've won anyway.
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Post by spcttr on Apr 30, 2006 8:51:33 GMT -5
They did win the "right" way. Better defense and passing in serve-receive, stronger offense and blocking from their MBs, better play from their OHs and more consistent serving. And, when things got tight, IPFW players didn't. Loyola had the "deer-in-headlights" look, and no one stepped up. Kozlarek played well, but even he looked beat. To slow down the momentum of an opponent is not bush league, and it is not wrong. Timeouts do the exact same thing, as does going to the ref stand to ask about a call, or a situational substitution by a coach who is out of timeouts. And you are naive if you think Loyola, or any other team in sports (not just volleyball), doesn't use those tactics to their advantage. Every coach of every sport at almost all levels will do whatever they can to slow down the opponent and give their players a chance to climb back into the game. If my coach didn't do that, then I would question his commitment to his players.
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Post by goodbadugly on Apr 30, 2006 9:34:58 GMT -5
Nope. Apples and Oranges. A time-out is IN the description and rules of the game. I saw an IPFW player spit on the floor, request a towel, and spend 15-20 seconds wiping it up. That is not a time-out, which by the way are limited in number for a reason. You have to choose the right time to call a time-out because they are finite. I did not play as a flopper, coach as a flopper, and I do not like to spectate flopping. To me it is a question of integrity. That is a win-at-all-costs attitude. A time-out is a privilege, and in football you lose the privilege if you "guess" wrong when refuting a call, play, out-of-bounds, etc. You are certainly not alone in your thinking, I just don't agree with it. But how far is too far? Is a 10 second towel-wipe too long? Tough to call unless you do it excessively. Reminds me of people who question whether a player is tough enough to play hurt. You never know, only he does, and he might think he is too injured to play and justifies it to hmself. Andres Nocioni is turning out to be a fine player for the Bulls, but he is an A #1 FLOPPER. Phony, fake, cheater. But good, and yes, winning.
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Post by AAVolley on Apr 30, 2006 14:54:36 GMT -5
goodbadugly, when someones very first post on this board ever is one whining about the tactics of a team they just come off as a sore loser. Loyola didn't step up when they needed to and IPFW did. I am an MPSF fan and this is the first MIVA match I have watched all year (on tv) and while Koz was the epitome of collected, controlled competitive agression, the rest of the Loyola guys just looked scared to lose. IPFW took full advantage.
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Post by dzdncnfsd on Apr 30, 2006 15:18:03 GMT -5
if the officials allow it, there's nothing wrong with it. to attack the character of the ipfw players and coaches is out of line. these are tactics are used by every team, not just ipfw. i coached mvb for 10 yrs and everyone did it then, i'm sure they do it now.
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