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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 13:48:53 GMT -5
you don’t have to. Literally click on that page and the comment he made that clearly shows he isn’t contradicting himself is right there lol exactly, they’ll just point out the areas that they originally agreed with, then they’ll contradict themselves, not point it out, and then act like they were right the whole time. I remember having a chat with them on the US OH thread, and man it was Thompson carried the team, Thompson had no help, yada yada yada. Then this same person puts someone in their top ten, but refuses to admit that apparently Cincinnati did in fact have decent players last year.So either they’re a conscious liar, or a liar in terms of choosing not to present all the facts, for claiming anything other than that. you’re so far off base Jesus Christ. Click on that link and it’s literally an entire write up praising Maria Mallon and how underrated she is. If you’re too lazy to click on a link then idk how you manage to type out all this ignorant, baseless, nonsense |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 13:49:32 GMT -5
So this argument is quite... interesting. The comparisons are quite off, tbh. Many of the outsides that are listed (Pressley, Drews, May) are the stars of their team - McClure would never be able to flourish in that role. So you are really comparing apples to oranges. She is a great player for Stanford and one that was definitely needed for last year's team. But I think the best she'll do next year is All-Pac-12 and All-American Honorable Mention. No shame in that. However, I think a better question would be for all the outsides that were listed, would Stanford have had the same level of success if the outsides listed replaced McClure last year (or the previous two years). I am not so sure about that. Because she was so solid in every facet, she didn't really have a weakness and it helped plug in some of Stanford's flaws. With the outsides listed, not sure if the same could be said. Thoughts? players like May and Drews would definitely helped Stanford considering they were better in like every statistical category including passing |
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Post by trojansc on Jul 5, 2020 13:51:27 GMT -5
So this argument is quite... interesting. The comparisons are quite off, tbh. Many of the outsides that are listed (Pressley, Drews, May) are the stars of their team - McClure would never be able to flourish in that role. So you are really comparing apples to oranges. She is a great player for Stanford and one that was definitely needed for last year's team. But I think the best she'll do next year is All-Pac-12 and All-American Honorable Mention. No shame in that. However, I think a better question would be for all the outsides that were listed, would Stanford have had the same level of success if the outsides listed replaced McClure last year (or the previous two years). I am not so sure about that. Because she was so solid in every facet, she didn't really have a weakness and it helped plug in some of Stanford's flaws. With the outsides listed, not sure if the same could be said. Thoughts? This is why, when I posted that list, I said this "Not here to argue who would be more beneficial to a team than McClure, because that depends on many factors." |
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Post by Disc808 on Jul 5, 2020 13:55:51 GMT -5
I think she was mentioned before but Eggleston definitely belongs on that list of 10 top OHs. Also, to the original argument, I think McClure is a solid player at multiple parts of the game. However, i don’t believe she will be higher than second team, or even third team (should there be a season). She probably will not get above 3+ kps, and her role will be to pass/defend/serve well while being consistent with her attacking. We have Kipp, Baird, and potentially L. Smith to carry the offensive load
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Post by SakiBomb25 on Jul 5, 2020 14:00:10 GMT -5
So this argument is quite... interesting. The comparisons are quite off, tbh. Many of the outsides that are listed (Pressley, Drews, May) are the stars of their team - McClure would never be able to flourish in that role. So you are really comparing apples to oranges. She is a great player for Stanford and one that was definitely needed for last year's team. But I think the best she'll do next year is All-Pac-12 and All-American Honorable Mention. No shame in that. However, I think a better question would be for all the outsides that were listed, would Stanford have had the same level of success if the outsides listed replaced McClure last year (or the previous two years). I am not so sure about that. Because she was so solid in every facet, she didn't really have a weakness and it helped plug in some of Stanford's flaws. With the outsides listed, not sure if the same could be said. Thoughts? This is why, when I posted that list, I said this "Not here to argue who would be more beneficial to a team than McClure, because that depends on many factors." Oh my post wasn't directed at you and I'm not here to argue with you - I read your list. It was more just a hypothetical question rather than defending that McClure. |
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Post by trojansc on Jul 5, 2020 14:04:15 GMT -5
Oh my post wasn't directed at you and I'm not here to argue with you - I read your list. It was more just a hypothetical question rather than defending that McClure. I was agreeing with you. I don't see how anyone could ask McClure to have done much more in her role. She was excellent. Good for multi-NC's. I also hope my argument for other OH's isn't perceived as some type of criticism in general towards McClure. I think many fans forget that players are on the court to do specific jobs and roles, and much of their practice time is centered around that. |
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Post by WahineFan44 on Jul 5, 2020 14:31:50 GMT -5
All I said is I like Meghan Mcclure and I think she is one of the best OHs next year and this happened lol.
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Post by cbrown1709 on Jul 5, 2020 15:01:01 GMT -5
Just because I'm bored, please name those 10 outsides who you think are better all-around players. lol you did add all around players. That wasn’t what you originally said but sure. I would take Dani Drews, Pressly, Mac May, Kylie Deberg, Ali Stumler, Molly Haggerty, Julia Bergman, Logan Eggleston, Thayer Hall. I added all around players because that's what we were discussing. And to me, being an outside is not just about offense. |
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Post by cbrown1709 on Jul 5, 2020 15:17:40 GMT -5
Just because I'm bored, please name those 10 outsides who you think are better all-around players. lol you did add all around players. That wasn’t what you originally said but sure. I would take Dani Drews, Pressly, Mac May, Kylie Deberg, Ali Stumler, Molly Haggerty, Julia Bergman, Logan Eggleston, Thayer Hall. You have a good list but how do you add Haggerty when she doesn't even play backrow? DeBerg's defense ehhh.. they mentioned Presslys defense and SR. Hall tends to be hot and cold. |
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Post by cbrown1709 on Jul 5, 2020 15:18:39 GMT -5
Sorry to the rest of the other Stanford fans, didn't realize the drama that it would bring..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 15:21:04 GMT -5
lol you did add all around players. That wasn’t what you originally said but sure. I would take Dani Drews, Pressly, Mac May, Kylie Deberg, Ali Stumler, Molly Haggerty, Julia Bergman, Logan Eggleston, Thayer Hall. You have a good list but how do you add Haggerty when she doesn't even play backrow? DeBerg's defense ehhh.. they mentioned Presslys defense and SR. Hall tends to be hot and cold. Haggerty can play back row and when she does she is solid. Also Hall was good all season |
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Post by cbrown1709 on Jul 5, 2020 15:28:41 GMT -5
You have a good list but how do you add Haggerty when she doesn't even play backrow? DeBerg's defense ehhh.. they mentioned Presslys defense and SR. Hall tends to be hot and cold. Haggerty can play back row and when she does she is solid. Also Hall was good all season I wouldn't say solid about Haggerty. There is a reason she didn't play 6 rotations last year. Hall on the other has moments of brilliance but also disappears.. |
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Post by johnbar on Jul 5, 2020 15:33:16 GMT -5
Could you start a separate thread for this ... argument?
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Post by oldnewbie on Jul 5, 2020 15:34:36 GMT -5
they said all around and you put Sun and Botkin!? Oh lord just stop! Actually it was originally "I could name 10 better OHs without putting much thought into it." "All around" was added later as a fudge, but what does it really even mean? I could not care less what random, subjective definition you have rattling around in your head. My definition is what 6 rotation OH would you select for your team over another 6 rotation OH if you are given the choice? Would you not pick Sun and Botkin over McClure? If you would, then what are you carrying on about? If not, and you think McClure is better, then why all the carrying on about being a "complete player"? |
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Jul 5, 2020 15:54:22 GMT -5
Could you start a separate thread for this ... argument? It has already been created! Yo, Earth-to-VTers: go to "Best All-Around OHs in 2020". |
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