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Post by trojansc on Jul 5, 2020 13:29:37 GMT -5
I'm just waiting for someone to come up with another list of 10 quality OH players with game that puts them on the court in all 6 rotations and includes passing duty. So far, nobody has even bit. They don't even have to be the 10 best, you can even put homerism into a couple picks (I certainly did, that's why I said my favorites, even though I still truly believe they are capable).
I also forgot one very prominent OH who I would probably put on my list and take Gedikoglu off.
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Post by Sbilo on Jul 5, 2020 13:30:29 GMT -5
I don’t know if this is a joke? Or what. Can I see your list? All-Around to me includes serving, blocking, passing, digging, attacking. If you are beyond exceptional in one area, that easily makes up for another area. But if you are a player like Allie Barber (Marquette) you aren't making this list because you are a one-trick pony. Yossi might not pass or defend well, but her attacking and blocking are just so good that I can't keep her off this list. Also, I'm going to bold some important parts here: Anyways, FWIW, here's 10 of my favorite outside hitters who all have all-around game. Go ahead and make your own thread about your top 10 all around OHs. Nobody cares really. |
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Post by Ballislife on Jul 5, 2020 13:34:08 GMT -5
Can I see your list? All-Around to me includes serving, blocking, passing, digging, attacking. If you are beyond exceptional in one area, that easily makes up for another area. But if you are a player like Allie Barber (Marquette) you aren't making this list because you are a one-trick pony. Yossi might not pass or defend well, but her attacking and blocking are just so good that I can't keep her off this list. Also, I'm going to bold some important parts here: Anyways, FWIW, here's 10 of my favorite outside hitters who all have all-around game. Go ahead and make your own thread about your top 10 all around OHs. Nobody cares really. I’ve noticed a somewhat common theme with USC. They seem to have some flashy superiority complex where they just have to add in THEIR take on everything in a thread that has nothing to do with players outside of Stanford. McClure is good. Top ten no, but better then players I legitimately haven’t heard of. Then this same poster will argue Thompson had no one to help, yet puts a player from that team in the top 10 the next year. Like huh? |
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Post by trojansc on Jul 5, 2020 13:34:47 GMT -5
Go ahead and make your own thread about your top 10 all around OHs. Nobody cares really. There's literally 4 pages of people discussing it today and I certainly didn't start this discussion. It's funny how you commented on it, call it a joke, then respond with "nobody really cares" instead of adding any substance to the topic. I'm still waiting for your list? |
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Post by jwvolley on Jul 5, 2020 13:35:28 GMT -5
Can someone go criticize Plummer’s shoelaces or something so this character can go distract himself with that? Lol trying to come for May when she was literally the ideal combination of terminator + all around player.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 13:35:33 GMT -5
I'm not arguing the list. I replied to your post. You said "What all around game was displayed by Mac May?" I pulled up her stats (vs someone you apparently DO think is a good all around player) to demonstrate May's superior all around game. I'm not sure why you're struggling to understand the relevance of those numbers... Please point out where I said McClure was a good player? I mean I think she brings value to that team and is reliable in a variety of situations. But please show me where I made that claim, or continue to just toss things out of the blue. I said the list was funny based on the fact that many of the players mentioned don’t have all-around games. You asked "What all around game was displayed by Mac May?". I used McClure as a reference to show you that May was one of the top all around OHs in the country. You clearly didn't know that, so I thought I'd show you. If you require more evidence, feel free to pick another player and I can compare May's hitting, passing, serving and defense to them. The result will be the same, any OH who passes 55%+, terminates 40%+, defends like May and serves that well is clearly one of the best all around OHs in the nation. Now, if you've accepted that, we can move on. |
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Post by Ballislife on Jul 5, 2020 13:37:44 GMT -5
Can someone go criticize Plummer’s shoelaces or something so this character can go distract himself with that? Lol trying to come for May when she was literally the ideal combination of terminator + all around player. I love how saying a list of players put in a top ten of all around players, that don’t represent all around games, turns in to this. You love me it’s clear to see. |
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Post by trojansc on Jul 5, 2020 13:38:09 GMT -5
Go ahead and make your own thread about your top 10 all around OHs. Nobody cares really. I’ve noticed a somewhat common theme with USC. They seem to have some flashy superiority complex where they just have to add in THEIR take on everything in a thread that has nothing to do with players outside of Stanford. McClure is good. Top ten no, but better then players I legitimately haven’t heard of. Then this same poster will argue Thompson had no one to help, yet puts a player from that team in the top 10 the next year. Like huh? You're literally too easy. Read the first post at the top of page 2. volleytalk.proboards.com/thread/79718/penn-state-cincinnati-match-thread?page=2 |
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Post by jwvolley on Jul 5, 2020 13:39:55 GMT -5
Can someone go criticize Plummer’s shoelaces or something so this character can go distract himself with that? Lol trying to come for May when she was literally the ideal combination of terminator + all around player. I love how saying a list of players put in a top ten of all around players, that don’t represent all around games, turns in to this. You love me it’s clear to see. You are the one who specifically called a player out. Own your posts. |
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Post by Ballislife on Jul 5, 2020 13:40:02 GMT -5
I’ve noticed a somewhat common theme with USC. They seem to have some flashy superiority complex where they just have to add in THEIR take on everything in a thread that has nothing to do with players outside of Stanford. McClure is good. Top ten no, but better then players I legitimately haven’t heard of. Then this same poster will argue Thompson had no one to help, yet puts a player from that team in the top 10 the next year. Like huh? You're literally too easy. Read the first post at the top of page 2. volleytalk.proboards.com/thread/79718/penn-state-cincinnati-match-thread?page=2 I’m sorry I don’t wish my time scrolling through thousands of pages of posts to find something from months ago, but if I did, I wanna puke clearly point out the multiple times you have said Thompson had no help, which makes her achievements even more impressive. You contradict yourself all the time dude. |
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Post by Ballislife on Jul 5, 2020 13:40:37 GMT -5
I love how saying a list of players put in a top ten of all around players, that don’t represent all around games, turns in to this. You love me it’s clear to see. You are the one who specifically called a player out. Own your posts. oh sweetheart you’ve done it many times don’t be a hypocrite |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 13:41:13 GMT -5
I’m sorry I don’t wish my time scrolling through thousands of pages of posts to find something from months ago, but if I did, I wanna puke clearly point out the multiple times you have said Thompson had no help, which makes her achievements even more impressive. You contradict yourself all the time dude. you don’t have to. Literally click on that page and the comment he made that clearly shows he isn’t contradicting himself is right there lol |
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Post by Kingsley on Jul 5, 2020 13:46:29 GMT -5
Okay, I can work with this. |
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Post by Ballislife on Jul 5, 2020 13:46:37 GMT -5
I’m sorry I don’t wish my time scrolling through thousands of pages of posts to find something from months ago, but if I did, I wanna puke clearly point out the multiple times you have said Thompson had no help, which makes her achievements even more impressive. You contradict yourself all the time dude. you don’t have to. Literally click on that page and the comment he made that clearly shows he isn’t contradicting himself is right there lol exactly, they’ll just point out the areas that they originally agreed with, then they’ll contradict themselves, not point it out, and then act like they were right the whole time. I remember having a chat with them on the US OH thread, and man it was Thompson carried the team, Thompson had no help, yada yada yada. Then this same person puts someone in their top ten, but refuses to admit that apparently Cincinnati did in fact have decent players last year.So either they’re a conscious liar, or a liar in terms of choosing not to present all the facts, for claiming anything other than that. |
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Post by SakiBomb25 on Jul 5, 2020 13:47:01 GMT -5
So this argument is quite... interesting. The comparisons are quite off, tbh. Many of the outsides that are listed (Pressley, Drews, May) are the stars of their team - McClure would never be able to flourish in that role. So you are really comparing apples to oranges. She is a great player for Stanford and one that was definitely needed for last year's team. But I think the best she'll do next year is All-Pac-12 and All-American Honorable Mention. No shame in that.
However, I think a better question would be for all the outsides that were listed, would Stanford have had the same level of success if the outsides listed replaced McClure last year (or the previous two years). I am not so sure about that. Because she was so solid in every facet, she didn't really have a weakness and it helped plug in some of Stanford's flaws. With the outsides listed, not sure if the same could be said. Thoughts?
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