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Post by ay2013 on May 14, 2023 17:11:02 GMT -5
They aren’t in the same class, so I’m not sure how/where you’d see them ranked other than personal opinion (which is fine). If you are talking about the Pan Am U19 training team, I don’t think that’s the best barometer - it will be the U19 worlds team. And even then, so what? Was Hudson or Colyer on the youth national teams before college? No. Also, subjectively being better at setting the ball doesn’t always mean that player will win the starting setter job. I think many would agree that Xu was objectively better at setting the ball than Miner in prep play - and we all know how that turned out. I know not who will be Stanford’s next franchise setter, but I do know that it is very rare for an elite program like Stanford to recruit a top 3 setter and a big time target for ALL the schools in 2025, if they felt like they already had their next star setter in 2024. Well. It is true they are in different classes. Charlotte's team mate at Tribe Kelly Kinney was invited to that tryout. Charlotte played in the NTDP camp at right around the same time. I think that indicates that at least now, the national team likes Yu better. But it could be argued. Even getting invited to that tryout suggests Yu is one of the top setters in her class. Obviously Izzy Stark (PSU) is the highest rated. I have watched Charlotte play a lot. She is very athletic. One of the best attacking setters I have seen. Is probably an inch or so taller than Yu. Agree that the Xu vs Miner comparison is a decent one. Not sure Charlotte is anywhere near as good a technical setter as Miner. FWIW, Miner played for a bunch of national teams. Xu played for one. Neither of these girls has made one yet although they are young. BTW, the fact that Stanford recruited Xu and then Miner suggests they are happy to recruit back to back highly rated setters. My guess is neither Yu nor Glass are really franchise setters FWIW. Well Glass is currently a high school sophomore, plenty of time to get better technically. I can’t think of any coach that wouldn’t take a gifted athletic player that they can teach to set the ball - ala PSU Glass and Miner. Also, making USAV teams is just one data point. Plenty of great players weren’t on youth usav teams and players that have made those teams have had lackluster college careers. FWIW, being a top rated setter in a class doesn’t mean a ton when it comes to elite programs - it’s about how good a setter is within 3 or 4 classes. IMO, no 2024 setter is all that impressive. I wouldn’t be surprised to see players like Yu, Furbringer, Starck etc. get recruited over.
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Post by volley642 on May 14, 2023 18:11:22 GMT -5
Well. It is true they are in different classes. Charlotte's team mate at Tribe Kelly Kinney was invited to that tryout. Charlotte played in the NTDP camp at right around the same time. I think that indicates that at least now, the national team likes Yu better. But it could be argued. Even getting invited to that tryout suggests Yu is one of the top setters in her class. Obviously Izzy Stark (PSU) is the highest rated. I have watched Charlotte play a lot. She is very athletic. One of the best attacking setters I have seen. Is probably an inch or so taller than Yu. Agree that the Xu vs Miner comparison is a decent one. Not sure Charlotte is anywhere near as good a technical setter as Miner. FWIW, Miner played for a bunch of national teams. Xu played for one. Neither of these girls has made one yet although they are young. BTW, the fact that Stanford recruited Xu and then Miner suggests they are happy to recruit back to back highly rated setters. My guess is neither Yu nor Glass are really franchise setters FWIW. FWIW, being a top rated setter in a class doesn’t mean a ton when it comes to elite programs - it’s about how good a setter is within 3 or 4 classes. IMO, no 2024 setter is all that impressive. I wouldn’t be surprised to see players like Yu, Furbringer, Starck etc. get recruited over. Curious of what recent hs setters you think actually do fit in that category?
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Post by ay2013 on May 14, 2023 18:50:39 GMT -5
FWIW, being a top rated setter in a class doesn’t mean a ton when it comes to elite programs - it’s about how good a setter is within 3 or 4 classes. IMO, no 2024 setter is all that impressive. I wouldn’t be surprised to see players like Yu, Furbringer, Starck etc. get recruited over. Curious of what recent hs setters you think actually do fit in that category? The truly elite franchise setters regardless of class are pretty apparent. My point is that being the top ranked setter in any given particular class isn't the recruiting barometer of the truly elite programs like Stanford/Nebraska/Texas. The barometer is how good the staff thinks these players are/will be compared to players currently older and younger than they are. There is certainly nothing wrong with Yu, she's very solid, but I don't think she's any better or projected to be better than a number of other setters in the 2022-2026 classes, which is why I'm not convinced she's heir apparent and why Stanford is wanting Glass in 2025. Granted, these are certainly good problems to have - two very good setters on the roster. I'd be happy if just one picked Washington!
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Post by vbruh on May 14, 2023 18:56:56 GMT -5
My first thought as well…who can you possibly recruit over a top 3 setter?
For argument sake I’d rate these setters as top of their classes 2022: Stuckey, Carlson 2023: Swindle, Reilly, Sarafa 2024: Starck, Fuerbringer, Yu 2025: Flynn, Messer, Parks
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Post by bigjohn043 on May 14, 2023 20:20:35 GMT -5
Curious of what recent hs setters you think actually do fit in that category? The truly elite franchise setters regardless of class are pretty apparent. My point is that being the top ranked setter in any given particular class isn't the recruiting barometer of the truly elite programs like Stanford/Nebraska/Texas. The barometer is how good the staff thinks these players are/will be compared to players currently older and younger than they are. There is certainly nothing wrong with Yu, she's very solid, but I don't think she's any better or projected to be better than a number of other setters in the 2022-2026 classes, which is why I'm not convinced she's heir apparent and why Stanford is wanting Glass in 2025. Granted, these are certainly good problems to have - two very good setters on the roster. I'd be happy if just one picked Washington! Please don't take anything I say as negative about Charlotte. Her coaches and team mates all love her. She works very hard and has a great attitude. That isn't true of all top players, but she is really a great girl. Has a 4.0. Will go to a high academic school. She is a really great attacking setter. Really great. Very athletic as well. She could develop into big talent. She probably has more raw potential than most. But I don't think anyone believes she is a franchise setter like Gray or Miner. Take a look at their bios. They were both considered one of the best players in the country by their sophomore years: gostanford.com/sports/womens-volleyball/roster/jenna-gray/16020gostanford.com/sports/womens-volleyball/roster/kami-miner/20017Right now the national team seems to think Yu is better. Clearly Stanford like Yu well enough to sign her. We will start to learn on June 15 how much Stanford likes Charlotte...
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Post by Friday on May 14, 2023 20:29:04 GMT -5
I've seen alot of the 2025s. I think Campbell Flynn is the better setter. Glass is very good, but I've been more impressed with Flynn's overall game. I think Glass has the PR machine working full force with all the youtube and Instagram videos and has made a name for herself that way.
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Post by ay2013 on May 14, 2023 20:30:12 GMT -5
The truly elite franchise setters regardless of class are pretty apparent. My point is that being the top ranked setter in any given particular class isn't the recruiting barometer of the truly elite programs like Stanford/Nebraska/Texas. The barometer is how good the staff thinks these players are/will be compared to players currently older and younger than they are. There is certainly nothing wrong with Yu, she's very solid, but I don't think she's any better or projected to be better than a number of other setters in the 2022-2026 classes, which is why I'm not convinced she's heir apparent and why Stanford is wanting Glass in 2025. Granted, these are certainly good problems to have - two very good setters on the roster. I'd be happy if just one picked Washington! Please don't take anything I say as negative about Charlotte. Her coaches and team mates all love her. She works very hard and has a great attitude. That isn't true of all top players, but she is really a great girl. Has a 4.0. Will go to a high academic school. She is a really great attacking setter. Really great. Very athletic as well. She could develop into big talent. She probably has more raw potential than most. But I don't think anyone believes she is a franchise setter like Gray or Miner. Take a look at their bios. They were both considered one of the best players in the country by their sophomore years: gostanford.com/sports/womens-volleyball/roster/jenna-gray/16020gostanford.com/sports/womens-volleyball/roster/kami-miner/20017Right now the national team seems to think Yu is better. Clearly Stanford like Yu well enough to sign her. We will start to learn on June 15 how much Stanford likes Charlotte... I'm not offended in the slightest. I find people having constructive opinions about players refreshing and far more genuine than the people who only want to hear "positive" things about players.
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Post by vballfanattic on May 14, 2023 20:47:40 GMT -5
Not related to the setter discussion, but how good is I. Kurt compared to Blayshov & Harvey? I've read that she can play either pin. I don't see anyone unseating Kipp at OPP but if one of the outsides (Baird or Rubin) were to struggle, who do we think would be first off the bench for Hambly?
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Post by paloalto on May 14, 2023 20:57:35 GMT -5
I believe Ipar Kurt has been playing mostly right side the past season for her professional team and the Turkish National Team Program. My guess is she is the backup for Kipp which means little playing time her freshman year. BTW, a while back Kipp was measured approach jump touching 10'11".
Blyashov and Harvey are pretty equal to me overall based primarily on videos which is not necessarily a good indicator. Hopefully the European trip will provide some possible answers to what Hambly has in mind.
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Post by acea on May 15, 2023 0:41:43 GMT -5
I believe Ipar Kurt has been playing mostly right side the past season for her professional team and the Turkish National Team Program. My guess is she is the backup for Kipp which means little playing time her freshman year. BTW, a while back Kipp was measured approach jump touching 10'11". Blyashov and Harvey are pretty equal to me overall based primarily on videos which is not necessarily a good indicator. Hopefully the European trip will provide some possible answers to what Hambly has in mind. I’d imagine we see Harvey RS and probably Kurt, although our only backup OPP would be Tufuga which is…. I think Blyashov is Rubin’s backup, and I don’t really see her unseating Baird. Baird was certainly shaky last season, but we saw her serve and defense develop as the season went on. When her hitting is on, she’s second to only Kipp (and sometimes I’d say she even surpasses her). She has a nasty cut shot and is great on the RS as well.
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Post by uofaGRAD on May 15, 2023 7:43:22 GMT -5
I really like Harvey but Blyashov is better and SHOULD be the first pin off the bench if she doesn’t beat out Baird. I’ve been so impressed with her play.
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Post by bigjohn043 on May 15, 2023 8:28:26 GMT -5
I believe Ipar Kurt has been playing mostly right side the past season for her professional team and the Turkish National Team Program. My guess is she is the backup for Kipp which means little playing time her freshman year. BTW, a while back Kipp was measured approach jump touching 10'11". Blyashov and Harvey are pretty equal to me overall based primarily on videos which is not necessarily a good indicator. Hopefully the European trip will provide some possible answers to what Hambly has in mind. I’d imagine we see Harvey RS and probably Kurt, although our only backup OPP would be Tufuga which is…. I think Blyashov is Rubin’s backup, and I don’t really see her unseating Baird. Baird was certainly shaky last season, but we saw her serve and defense develop as the season went on. When her hitting is on, she’s second to only Kipp (and sometimes I’d say she even surpasses her). She has a nasty cut shot and is great on the RS as well. My guess is that Baird and Rubin play unless injured. But IMO Baird is more likely to get subbed out. First, Rubin was a frosh last year and the biggest improvement is generally after that season. Baird as a senior sort of is what she is. Second, Rubin is a libero level passer. That is hugely valuable. Third, while Baird is a better hitter, she seems a bit more streaky. When she is good she looks great but she can go through some pretty bad runs....
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Post by stanfordvb on May 15, 2023 8:55:55 GMT -5
I’d imagine we see Harvey RS and probably Kurt, although our only backup OPP would be Tufuga which is…. I think Blyashov is Rubin’s backup, and I don’t really see her unseating Baird. Baird was certainly shaky last season, but we saw her serve and defense develop as the season went on. When her hitting is on, she’s second to only Kipp (and sometimes I’d say she even surpasses her). She has a nasty cut shot and is great on the RS as well. Baird as a senior sort of is what she is. a lot of players made huge strides in their 5th year, I think well see improvement from Baird
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Post by vballfanattic on May 15, 2023 10:51:48 GMT -5
I also think Baird's potential is quite high. She did have a disappointing season last year (2022) offensively but she hit 0.284 and had 4.24 kps in 2021. Many have speculated that she was hampered by an injury last season, so if that's the case and she can get back to her 2021-type numbers I think her spot is safe.
Also agree w/ the assessment on Rubin. People have made the comparison to McClure. I think she has a similar all-around skillset and is so steady for Stanford in serve receive and back-court defense. Imo, she is more of an offensive threat compared to McClure and takes more chances offensively. With an off-season of training, I expect her to improve offensively and make fewer errors.
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Post by cbrown1709 on May 15, 2023 23:01:58 GMT -5
My first thought as well…who can you possibly recruit over a top 3 setter? For argument sake I’d rate these setters as top of their classes 2022: Stuckey, Carlson 2023: Swindle, Reilly, Sarafa 2024: Starck, Fuerbringer, Yu 2025: Flynn, Messer, Parks After watching some video, Flynn gives me Shaffmaster vibes.
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