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Post by paloalto on Aug 9, 2023 22:35:38 GMT -5
Very latest reports indicate the votes are not there and the idea of Stanford/Cal joining ACC is most likely over even with Notre Dame pushing hard to add Stanford/Cal
Anyone going to the practice next Wednesday?
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Post by HappyVolley on Aug 10, 2023 3:19:57 GMT -5
I'm not sure you and I are disagreeing about much of anything, but I do not think it would be possible to get the MWC deal to double. First, the deal doesn't expire until the end of 2026, I think, so that's two years before you can even renegotiate. CBS and Fox would have to agree to add the Pac-4, but they're holding all of the leverage here, so I don't know why they'd up the amount. They'd obviously have to agree to raise the $270MM overall amount by at least $16MM just to pay each of the Pac-4 $4MM (I doubt the existing MWC teams would reduce their own share of the $270MM just for the privilege of playing the Pac-4). I'm not even sure it's possible to get CBS and Fox to agree to that $16MM increase, since they just paid a premium for the right to broadcast some more attractive West Coast games (the inventory from the new members of the Big Ten), and Fox also just paid for the additional inventory of the new Big-12 members. CBS and Fox might actually be looking for ways to decrease their MWC inventory to make room for late-night Big Ten/Big-12 games. My point is that there doesn't seem to be a path to increasing the per-school payout until at least after 2026, and maybe not even then. Second, even if there were broadcasting demand and capacity, to increase that share, you'd have to expect better ratings from games involving the Pac-4 teams than the best of the existing teams. Are you really drawing a significantly larger audience, and significantly greater TV revenue, from each of the Pac-4 teams' games than from games involving SJSU, SDSU, and Boise State? It's probably a larger number for Stanford and Cal, maybe even for OSU and WSU (though who knows, especially in the absence of the draw of the teams they used to play), but I doubt it's significant, other than the Stanford-Cal game. Would it justify doubling the MWC's per-game deal? I'm skeptical. Third, the math is awful here. Are you suggesting that CBS/Fox would double the entire package, so that every team in the MWC gets double? I doubt CBS/Fox would agree to that. But then are you suggesting that Stanford/Cal/OSU/WSU would get $8MM and the existing MWC teams would get a reduced share of their own TV contract? Hard to see them swallowing that. Or maybe you're thinking CBS would only increase the per-game payout for games involving the Pac-4 teams? Still a stumbling block for the MWC, and even then you'd still need to increase the size of the contract beyond the additional $32MM for the Pac-4 teams so that their opponents in the games broadcast would also benefit from that. It's just very hard to see a path to anything beyond $4MM/year (if even that) in the MWC through the end of the 2025-2026 basketball season, and hard to see any significant increase even then. As for going it as an independent like Notre Dame, is anybody going to pay more than $4MM a year for the right to broadcast all of Stanford's home games? At best, Stanford is going to have one game against Notre Dame every other year and maybe one or two other top-25 teams on a home-and-home every other year. After Week 3, every college team other than Notre Dame (and the other Pac-4 teams, maybe) will be locked into its conference season. Basically, Stanford needs to get into a conference, and it needs to do it quickly so it can start playing in the new conference in 2024. There are a lot of reasons why the Big Ten might take Stanford, and also a lot of reasons why it might not. But Stanford's position as a non-FB athletic powerhouse and its utopian view that athletic conferences should have some academic and cultural similarity makes it a tough fit with any other surviving conference. That’s my position, too. The problem for me is that Stanford’s emergency does not constitute an emergency for the Big 10, so Stanford has to wait until the Big 10 chooses to extend an invite. Maybe that happens for 2024, but maybe it doesn’t. Stanford’s issues if it doesn’t are not the Big 10’s problem. To me they grabbed the four most valuable entities from a football perspective. Stanford’s primary appeal is their academics and their insistence on pursuing athletic excellence without compromising their academic integrity. While I do feel like that’s compelling, how compelling is a different question. In any case, as long as Stanford is determined to compete in college athletics at the highest level, I feel certain the Big 10 will find a place for them. When and at what cost I have no idea. That's a pretty significant issue, isn't it? Everyone remembers the recent past when Stanford put (eleven?) of its athletic programs on the chopping block. If Stanford wants an invite from the ACC, B1G or even the Mountain West, it should give public and private assurances that it intends to remain competitive and not de-emphasize athletics. If Stanford is unwilling to do that, they should drop football and join the WCC. |
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Post by cbrown1709 on Aug 10, 2023 10:02:36 GMT -5
My hope is still the Big 10.
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Post by liberosetter101 on Aug 11, 2023 1:19:28 GMT -5
I’m stressed 😭
But rn I just want Stanford volley to win what could be the last Pac 12 title ever
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Post by baytree on Aug 11, 2023 6:13:11 GMT -5
I put the chances of that happening at zero. The most valuable entities are already screaming about how they’re not getting paid enough, and then you want to add a couple of schools because of their outstanding academic reputations to the mix who will drive the cost of doing business up without adding to the value? If this was the old ACC prior to the inclusion of Florida State and Miami, and pre-Dabo Sweeney era when Clemson had no clout I’d say sure. But not now. And that’s even assuming Stanford would agree to an affiliation with a conference literally across the country. That said, that it’s even being seriously contemplated at the level these conversations are taking place says something about how much the nature of college athletics has drastically changed. The Atlantic Coast Conference is holding discussions on the viability of adding Stanford and Cal. What a world we live in. I still think for Stanford it’s Big 10 or bust, whenever that invite might come. Just use the PAC name to roll in the NCAA tournament credits and get a spot in the CFP payouts with the Mountain West teams that come aboard, and leave for the Big 10 at the first opportunity, regardless of the initial half share offered, like with Oregon and Washington. Or give up competing st the highest levels of college athletics. I don’t see there being other options that are palatable for the stakeholders of Stanford. They’ll hold their noses at joining either the Big 12 or SEC, and the numbers for the Big 12 put them at a perpetual disadvantage anyway. I thought they were looking at this bc ACC's contract with ESPN calls for a pro rata payment when new teams are added. So if Cal and Stanford come in at, e.g, 70%, you take the 30% and give it to the other teams. That was a few million a year per team. The question is: How much will the extra travel cost? And what are the exact terms of the ACC - ESPN contract? Is it like the Big 12 contract where they have to pay pro rata for any P5 team? Or does ESPN have to approve? It sounds like ESPN does not want to add three teams and may not want to add any. But the idea was to marginally increase the payouts to the other ACC teams. Not as much as the teams would like, of course, but it should be more money. I'm sure the percentage paid to Cal and Stanford is negotiable. I doubt they would offer 0% (i.e., all money to existing ACC teams), as SMU is rumored to have offered, but they might offer 50%. ETA: One complication is that teams that want to bolt early would not want to add new teams who would probably vote against dissolving the ACC. |
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Post by stanfordvb on Aug 11, 2023 8:50:45 GMT -5
I’m stressed 😭 But rn I just want Stanford volley to win what could be the last Pac 12 title ever don't wanna jinx them but a natty right now could be pivotal for the program IF Stanford doesn't get into a P5 conference... yes I know they have more than anyone else right now but thats cause they've always been able to recruit the very best of the best. I don't think stanford would ever become less than a top 20 team in the NCAA, but I fear potentially missing some of the bigger recruits here and there could result in being pushed into the 8-15 range as opposed to 1-8 where they typically stand. recruiting has not slowed down in the slightest recently but if they can't sell playing in a competitive conference to recruits anymore I could see that turning, not all, but some away. all of this is only a possible issue if they dont get into a P5 conference of course, but the 'clout' from a natty in todays youth matters a lot. and I just want them to win regardless lol im nervous about what's gonna happen |
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Post by liberosetter101 on Aug 11, 2023 10:13:42 GMT -5
I’m stressed 😭 But rn I just want Stanford volley to win what could be the last Pac 12 title ever don't wanna jinx them but a natty right now could be pivotal for the program IF Stanford doesn't get into a P5 conference... yes I know they have more than anyone else right now but thats cause they've always been able to recruit the very best of the best. I don't think stanford would ever become less than a top 20 team in the NCAA, but I fear potentially missing some of the bigger recruits here and there could result in being pushed into the 8-15 range as opposed to 1-8 where they typically stand. recruiting has not slowed down in the slightest recently but if they can't sell playing in a competitive conference to recruits anymore I could see that turning, not all, but some away. all of this is only a possible issue if they dont get into a P5 conference of course, but the 'clout' from a natty in todays youth matters a lot. and I just want them to win regardless lol im nervous about what's gonna happen Agreed And it’s bad enough the transfer portal doesn’t work in our favor either |
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Post by stanfordvb on Aug 11, 2023 10:31:46 GMT -5
anyone have the links to the streams from Europe? cant find the on YouTube but I know there is a video on there somewhere someone posted it in the thread a while back
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Post by acea on Aug 11, 2023 12:40:42 GMT -5
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 11, 2023 13:30:28 GMT -5
I’m stressed 😭 But rn I just want Stanford volley to win what could be the last Pac 12 title ever don't wanna jinx them but a natty right now could be pivotal for the program IF Stanford doesn't get into a P5 conference... yes I know they have more than anyone else right now but thats cause they've always been able to recruit the very best of the best. I don't think stanford would ever become less than a top 20 team in the NCAA, but I fear potentially missing some of the bigger recruits here and there could result in being pushed into the 8-15 range as opposed to 1-8 where they typically stand. recruiting has not slowed down in the slightest recently but if they can't sell playing in a competitive conference to recruits anymore I could see that turning, not all, but some away. all of this is only a possible issue if they dont get into a P5 conference of course, but the 'clout' from a natty in todays youth matters a lot. and I just want them to win regardless lol im nervous about what's gonna happen Yeah, I don't know. UConn won the men's basketball title in 2014 after getting relegated to the AAC. They still fell off before rejoining the Big East. Stanford has some unique advantages, such as its world-class education. But being in a weak conference will almost certainly hurt recruiting. |
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Post by sleepy on Aug 11, 2023 22:28:31 GMT -5
Hayes and Pitts have both committed elsewhere. Not sure how much elite backrow talent is left in this class.
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Post by stanfordvb on Aug 12, 2023 14:22:18 GMT -5
Hayes and Pitts have both committed elsewhere. Not sure how much elite backrow talent is left in this class. Simon also committed to Wisconsin. Apparently she had a 4-year offer from Stanford. yes lol that's why the previously mentioned names were brought up in the first place |
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Post by surfvolleypolojock77 on Aug 12, 2023 20:43:45 GMT -5
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Post by baller8 on Aug 13, 2023 12:12:22 GMT -5
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Post by hammer on Aug 13, 2023 15:20:34 GMT -5
Condi will need to call in some favors to get Stanford into the B1G. All that research money to B1G schools just might dry up unless Stanford gets an invite soon.  |
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