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Post by ShaneM2005 on Apr 12, 2019 8:47:18 GMT -5
I still stand by that Kipp should see the court as a front row OH. The addition of Gates diminishes the chance of that happening IMO, because Stanford will have enough firepower but McClure brings the passing and D. I do still think Kipp has potential to be very special out of the gates (no pun intended lolol), and a talent like her should not be wasted. From what I've seen of her, she has developed a dynamism that not even Plummer or Hodson showed in high school. Girl can jump and can crush, and her line shot is a beauty I'd like to see Kipp as OH in the front row over Mcclure as well with Mcclure playing back row. Love Mcclure's game, but her offensive wasn't there when we needed it at times. |
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Post by stanfordvb on Apr 12, 2019 9:56:10 GMT -5
I still stand by that Kipp should see the court as a front row OH. The addition of Gates diminishes the chance of that happening IMO, because Stanford will have enough firepower but McClure brings the passing and D. I do still think Kipp has potential to be very special out of the gates (no pun intended lolol), and a talent like her should not be wasted. From what I've seen of her, she has developed a dynamism that not even Plummer or Hodson showed in high school. Girl can jump and can crush, and her line shot is a beauty I'd like to see Kipp as OH in the front row over Mcclure as well with Mcclure playing back row. Love Mcclure's game, but her offensive wasn't there when we needed it at times. I sadly agree. I love McClure and I know almost everyone on this thread ones. But if we are talking who is going to benefit the team more when in the front row kipp is VERY likely to be the answer. Some people get to college and aren’t that great, but offensively there is no argument you can make staying why kipp won’t be good. She touches pretty high up there, she’s fast, very good arm swing, and generates plenty of power and has proven she can hit all areas of the court affectively. McClure has a lot of those attributes but I don’t see her being a better hitter or blocker than kipp will be next year. I want McClure to play 6 rotations but I also want what lineup is gonna be the best and I think that lineup has kipp / Plummer on the left. |
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Post by Disc808 on Apr 12, 2019 11:05:10 GMT -5
If Kipp were to play front row, it would probably make more sense to place her as OH1, since Formico would be in the back row for 2/3 rotations that she’s in (meaning Plummer, Hentz, and Formico pass together for those rotations).
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Post by Cruz'n on Apr 12, 2019 12:07:41 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure McClure was in serve receive all six rotations last season, yet I can't recall her ever being targeted. I'm not saying we are going to turn into Texas with her out of the lineup; but that first touch is pretty important. Hambly is not going to bench her for Kipp just because Kipp's offense is a little better.
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Post by volleylbc on Apr 12, 2019 12:16:16 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure McClure was in serve receive all six rotations last season, yet I can't recall her ever being targeted. I'm not saying we are going to turn into Texas with her out of the lineup; but that first touch is pretty important. Hambly is not going to bench her for Kipp just because Kipp's offense is a little better. I 100% agree. People tend to forget the the most important aspects of the game are Serve and Pass. Everyone can attack once you get to the highest level. Kipp is a monster attacker but NO WHERE NEAR McClure on serve receive and defense. |
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Post by Disc808 on Apr 12, 2019 12:21:46 GMT -5
I think we all get the importance of serve receive. I just think Kipp should get (meaningful) playing time. Having zero of the freshman get significant minutes doesn’t sit right with me. IMO Stanford’s other passers are good enough to absorb the loss of having McClure out for just three rotations.
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Post by stanfordvb on Apr 12, 2019 12:28:55 GMT -5
Stanford could pass with Plummer hentz and formico when kipp is front row, when gray rotates back pass 2 with Plummer and hentz, or push kipp far over so the other team will have to serve straight at her body when serving her. She won’t be great at serve receive but with training she should be able to hold her own just given a sliver of court for 2 passing rotations. I think kipps offense will be more than a little better than McClure’s however, mcclure had her great offensive matches but didn’t really perform well against Nebraska, at least in the front row. Also, if gates and Campbell are the MB’s it frees up for passes a little off the net when gray is front row, because both MB’s are effectively slide hitters. Stanford would get stuck sometimes with Alade in the front with McClure because if the pass wasn’t within 5 feet of the net it was going to McClure who relies on having the set beat the block out there and give her soon seam to rip at. Gray could now always chuck behind her to the slide which alade was not an option on.it will be I teresting to see what happens next year with the 2 positions everyone is spectualting could vary. (OH and MB.) I think it would be better with kipp, but I can see why McClure is valuable to stay in. Regardless it will be a good lineup but I’m gonna put my money on kipp playing, wouldn’t be upset with McClure tough, she is an all-American.
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Post by bigjohn043 on Apr 12, 2019 12:30:55 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure McClure was in serve receive all six rotations last season, yet I can't recall her ever being targeted. I'm not saying we are going to turn into Texas with her out of the lineup; but that first touch is pretty important. Hambly is not going to bench her for Kipp just because Kipp's offense is a little better. I 100% agree. People tend to forget the the most important aspects of the game are Serve and Pass. Everyone can attack once you get to the highest level. Kipp is a monster attacker but NO WHERE NEAR McClure on serve receive and defense. Kipp is more likely to take Fitz's or Campbell's spot than McClure. |
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Post by bigjohn043 on Apr 12, 2019 12:39:24 GMT -5
Stanford could pass with Plummer hentz and formico when kipp is front row, when gray rotates back pass 2 with Plummer and hentz, or push kipp far over so the other team will have to serve straight at her body when serving her. She won’t be great at serve receive but with training she should be able to hold her own just given a sliver of court for 2 passing rotations. I think kipps offense will be more than a little better than McClure’s however, mcclure had her great offensive matches but didn’t really perform well against Nebraska, at least in the front row. Also, if gates and Campbell are the MB’s it frees up for passes a little off the net when gray is front row, because both MB’s are effectively slide hitters. Stanford would get stuck sometimes with Alade in the front with McClure because if the pass wasn’t within 5 feet of the net it was going to McClure who relies on having the set beat the block out there and give her soon seam to rip at. Gray could now always chuck behind her to the slide which alade was not an option on.it will be I teresting to see what happens next year with the 2 positions everyone is spectualting could vary. (OH and MB.) I think it would be better with kipp, but I can see why McClure is valuable to stay in. Regardless it will be a good lineup but I’m gonna put my money on kipp playing, wouldn’t be upset with McClure tough, she is an all-American. Two things. First, the drop from KP's passing to McClure is significant. We don't have access to good passing stats but my sense is that McClure is one of the best passing OHs in the country. KP only passes select rotations and frankly they try to hide her. Second, last year McClure hit 270 versus KPs 282. KP gets a lot more out of system sets but McClure is good attacker. |
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Post by thethunderbird on Apr 12, 2019 12:40:36 GMT -5
If the Gates rumors are true- heck yes. She's a great get, and it means that Vicini will have time to develop and not necessarily have to play right away. Kipp also won't have to be a middle out of necessity, and can focus on continuing to develop on the pins. Alade's replacement was a big question mark, and I like Gates' blocking presence, temperament, and calm confidence on the court. She'd be a great addition to that team.
The biggest weakness that we saw from McClure was her blocking. Stivrins is a solid slide attacker, but McClure couldn't get a hand on the ball to slow it down- that's where Kipp has a clear advantage. I can see them splitting time, with McClure getting more FR time against teams with weaker OPP/MB's and Kipp playing more against teams with a lethal slide attacker or OPP.. I think we'll see Hambly play with the lineup quite a bit at the start of the year until they can find the right fit for the collective team. McClure has the clear advantage with passing/defense, but Kipp is much more physical and so dynamic for her size- it'll be an absolute battle for playing time, and I'm here for it.
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Post by Cruz'n on Apr 12, 2019 12:44:29 GMT -5
Stanford could pass with Plummer hentz and formico when kipp is front row, when gray rotates back pass 2 with Plummer and hentz, or push kipp far over so the other team will have to serve straight at her body when serving her. Why would the other team have to serve straight at her? Can't the opposing server simply walk along the baseline until an angle is created? |
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Post by stanfordvb on Apr 12, 2019 12:57:00 GMT -5
Stanford could pass with Plummer hentz and formico when kipp is front row, when gray rotates back pass 2 with Plummer and hentz, or push kipp far over so the other team will have to serve straight at her body when serving her. Why would the other team have to serve straight at her? Can't the opposing server simply walk along the baseline until an angle is created? The angle of the server won’t affect where the ball would be forced to hit kipp. If they pinch her, like they did with vanjak, then the halls she would pass she would have to move her adjust very much for. She could cover about 7 feet of pace from the side line and not have to work to get behind a ball hit at her. If the team misses by a couple feet, it’s going right at hentz, it worked with vanjak and frankly I think kipp can pass better than vanjak did. A lot of team do this with weaker passing OH’s and it worked well ecspecially because the women’s game is almost solely float serves so with 2 people covering most of the court there is time to move to the ball. |
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Post by ay2013 on Apr 12, 2019 13:05:49 GMT -5
I’m curious why people are on the Kipp protectionism train. Why does she HAVE to play? It’s not even a given that Kipp will come in and actually provide more efficient production than McClure. Stanford lost one match last year, and just about every other team loses a significant piece of their team. Are you really suggesting reinventing the wheel just to placate a freshmen? Kipp *MIGHT* make them better, but that’s already a high freakin bar. They are ALREADY better than everyone else.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Apr 12, 2019 13:12:23 GMT -5
I’m curious why people are on the Kipp protectionism train. Why does she HAVE to play? It’s not even a given that Kipp will come in and actually provide more efficient production than McClure. Stanford lost one match last year, and just about every other team loses a significant piece of their team. Are you really suggesting reinventing the wheel just to placate a freshmen? Kipp *MIGHT* make them better, but that’s already a high freakin bar. They are ALREADY better than everyone else. THANK YOU. Without Gates, I can see the debate. Wether to move kipp middle, move Fitz middle, with Kipp OH or Vicinni. But with Gates potentially coming in they dont need kipp to play to demolish the competition. Mcclure has MORE than proven herself to be an AA worthy Outside, and in fact, probably one of the best, if no the best Passing OH in the country. Stanford COULD play Kipp. But would they need too to win? Not even close. The only benefit I see is itll give her playing time for the drop off next year, but still dont think they will need it. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 13:31:13 GMT -5
If Kipp were to play front row, it would probably make more sense to place her as OH1, since Formico would be in the back row for 2/3 rotations that she’s in (meaning Plummer, Hentz, and Formico pass together for those rotations). OMG: supplant the reigning, 2x National Player of the Year from her position for said cockamamie postulations? Dude, Now I Know Why YOU Are "The King of Speculation"! |
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