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Post by Keystonekid on Jan 24, 2011 23:19:32 GMT -5
Starkey does have the experience of winning 4 CONSECUTIVE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS!!! Only 1 D1 coach I can think of with that experience and I don't think he is interested in Minnesota. Div 1 experience is overrated. He currently recruits, trains players and prepares game plans. Same as he would have to at MN. Yes the opponent is better, level of competition greater , but he would be doing that with better talent. Dave Shondell went from HS to college and greatly improved Purdue. No reason Starkey couldnt get it done at Minnesota. To win 4 titles you have to be a special coach and person. Would Christy Johnson win 4 titles in a row just because she is a division 1 coach? Im not knocking CJ who is great, but being a succesful Div 1 coach doesnt mean she could win 4 straight titles, any more than Starkey not being a Div 1 coach means he wouldnt win in Div 1.
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Post by vetcoach on Jan 25, 2011 0:02:40 GMT -5
What is amazing about Shondell is that he won with the players that Boos could not win with. Ignorant post. There were 5 new freshmen this year that him and his staff recruited and never got a chance to coach because they left for other opportunities. Four of them were starters for the majority of the season (2 of them all of the season). By the way, Shondell gives credit to the old staff. Publicly.
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Post by HeyHey on Jan 25, 2011 0:07:41 GMT -5
My concern with Starkey is how well he would be able to recruit to Minnesota. Right now he picks up a lot of players that probably could play low DI but they would rather stay close to home so they go to Concordia. Those players will not be of the caliber that Minnesota needs and recruiting out of state players to Minnesota was difficult even for Mike, who I consider one of the best recruiters in the business.
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Post by abugslife on Jan 25, 2011 0:28:03 GMT -5
My concern with Starkey is how well he would be able to recruit to Minnesota. Right now he picks up a lot of players that probably could play low DI but they would rather stay close to home so they go to Concordia. Those players will not be of the caliber that Minnesota needs and recruiting out of state players to Minnesota was difficult even for Mike, who I consider one of the best recruiters in the business. You recruit to the level you are at. Starkey's players could go a lot higher than "low D1" have you seen low D1- it is not that good. This players lack the height to play at at a top D1 level, but they good play at some mid major D1s or BCS conference schools (maybe in different positions), and the teams that he had that won the national championship could have beat a ton of D1 schools and given some of the top schools a run for their money. Don't let the size fool you- they have skill. You don't win 4 national championships at the D2 level with low level D1 players, period. No, the players that he recruits to Concordia at Minnesota's level but did you really expect them to be? Did Mike really have a problem recruiting out of state kids or did he have a few bad years recruiting wise that killed him in the long run?With us recruiting so far in advance it will hurt in the long run if you make a few wrong mistakes and you have a few important kids transfer out. Starkey will do fine there. Having D1 experience to me isn't as important as winning 4 national championships in a row is!!
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Post by moody on Jan 25, 2011 0:30:46 GMT -5
Brady knows how to recruit. He is out recruiting many D1 programs. In other words he is getting players to play at Concordia rather than a D1 school. BTW Minnesota has not done a great job in recruiting out of state the last few years.
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Post by HeyHey on Jan 25, 2011 0:44:43 GMT -5
I said that Mike had trouble getting out of state kids. Read my post. And the players Starkey gets are almost exclusively from Minnesota. My point was that if Mike couldn't get out of state players to come to Minnesota, Starkey won't have a prayer to get them.
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Post by HeyHey on Jan 25, 2011 0:47:00 GMT -5
My concern with Starkey is how well he would be able to recruit to Minnesota. Right now he picks up a lot of players that probably could play low DI but they would rather stay close to home so they go to Concordia. Those players will not be of the caliber that Minnesota needs and recruiting out of state players to Minnesota was difficult even for Mike, who I consider one of the best recruiters in the business. No, the players that he recruits to Concordia at Minnesota's level but did you really expect them to be? I never said I expected the Concordia players to play at Minnesota's level. Read my post.
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Post by HeyHey on Jan 25, 2011 0:48:28 GMT -5
Brady knows how to recruit. He is out recruiting many D1 programs. In other words he is getting players to play at Concordia rather than a D1 school. He gets them because they are Minnesota natives and they want to stay and play in their home state.
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Post by abugslife on Jan 25, 2011 0:54:58 GMT -5
I said that Mike had trouble getting out of state kids. Read my post. And the players Starkey gets are almost exclusively from Minnesota. My point was that if Mike couldn't get out of state players to come to Minnesota, Starkey won't have a prayer to get them. Do you want us to read your post?
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Post by abugslife on Jan 25, 2011 0:55:27 GMT -5
No, the players that he recruits to Concordia at Minnesota's level but did you really expect them to be? I never said I expected the Concordia players to play at Minnesota's level. Read my post. I think you want me to read your post???
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Post by moody on Jan 25, 2011 0:55:56 GMT -5
He gets them because he is a good coach with a great reputation and 4 National Championships to his name. Hugh has never recruited for college at any level.
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Post by abugslife on Jan 25, 2011 0:59:10 GMT -5
Brady knows how to recruit. He is out recruiting many D1 programs. In other words he is getting players to play at Concordia rather than a D1 school. He gets them because they are Minnesota natives and they want to stay and play in their home state. Yes you are correct but why go out of state when you can win with instate kids? No point! Minnesota can have a monopoly on that area. Only D1 school in Minnesota and with all that talent why go out of state?
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Post by moody on Jan 25, 2011 1:03:32 GMT -5
Currently, there is not enough young talent in the state for Minnesota to compete for a National Championship. They will have to go outside the state for that type of talent.
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Post by gogophers on Jan 25, 2011 1:04:27 GMT -5
I said that Mike had trouble getting out of state kids. I know this subject has come up before, even in this thread. But this thread is now so long, a reprise is not out of order. Love, Filho, Tabberson, Blatt, Hartmann, Roehrig, Schmidt, Vatterodt, Jones, Hagerty, and Tan, not to mention transfers Carico, Wilson, Cumpston, Florian. All out of state. All top 50 recruits except Tan, but defensive specialists seldom get much respect. A substantial majority were top 25. There's no question that Minn hasn't done as well recruiting out of state as PSU, Texas, and Stanford, and maybe a few others. But who in the big 10, other than Rose, has had more success in recruiting out of state than Hebert in the last 6 years or so? The heart of just about every team is are going to be players from in-state or neighboring states. Minnesota's out of state recruiting has been just fine, in my opinion, and Hebert has set a high bar in that respect for the next coach to meet. We shouldn't discount recruiting ability in coaching candidates, on the spurious grounds that hardly anyone, not already living here, is going to want to enroll anyhow.
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Post by HeyHey on Jan 25, 2011 1:09:52 GMT -5
Currently, there is not enough young talent in the state for Minnesota to compete for a National Championship. They will have to go outside the state for that type of talent. Thank you.
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