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Post by MTC on Feb 20, 2011 12:20:59 GMT -5
Money makes you do things that you don't really want to do. It is what it is.
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Post by USAFAN on Feb 20, 2011 12:55:09 GMT -5
And, GoBB is right again, the Olympics is NOT the best tournament. Its only the best marketed tournament for America. If we took volleyball half as seriously as the rest of the world, we would totally get behind the World League matches and fill up 10K seat arenas like everyone else does. But hey, most of America thinks 'why go to a volley game when you can watch jersey shore?' but I digress.... To argue that that Olympics is not the best tournament competition wise and therefore it's not that big of a deal that Hugh's leaving before them is ABSOLUTELY LUDICROUS and laughable. Ask any NT player in the entire world what their main objective and goal is and they will undoubtedly say the Olympics. The atmosphere and pressure cannot be replicated in any other tournament throughout the quadrennial and coaches/players would unquestionably say that the tournament is the MOST difficult title to attain. Yes, the qualification system is flawed and doesn't allow for all of the European NT's to make it through, but ultimately the top contenders are always there. It's also important the number of big-time athletes who rejoin programs or stay with programs for multiple quads JUST to play in the Olympics. Do you think Keba Phipps rejoined the squad so she could play in the Grand Prix? Or that Fofao stayed with the Brazilian NT until she was 38 so she could compete for another Pan American Games title? I think not, for obvious reasons. I admire Hugh's dedication to the program and completely understand his reasoning for taking the position in Minnesota. I like to view the situation through the saying "to whom much is given, much is expected." Bottom line, the head coach of a NT, in the USA nonetheless, is a large undertaking that comes with a lot of responsibility not only to the players and program but to the public at large. If you think the criticism of Hugh has been tough in this thread, read the critiques of Italian and Russian coaches and then get back to me. The expectation was clearly that he would stay until 2012. In interviews that he's given he's made a point to specify what the main goal and objective that the team was building and working toward. To leave before that contradicts his own statements and the expectation that he himself set by accepting the position. Does it make him a horrible person? No. But it does create a situation that justifiably calls into question his decision making and intentions. Does the USA have the foundation to still succeed in 2012? I think so. Will they be able to adjust to a new system? Yes. Does that mean that Hugh's departure isn't a detriment to the program? A resounding NO. With that said, I wish Hugh luck at Minnesota and have no doubts that Minnesota will remain the elite program that they've been and probably get even better. |
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Post by OverAndUnder on Feb 20, 2011 14:15:44 GMT -5
And, GoBB is right again, the Olympics is NOT the best tournament. Its only the best marketed tournament for America. Bob isn't "right again", because his argument on that point is a non-point based on a trumped up debate that no one is having. Words have actual meanings. Change a word, change a meaning, make yourself look good when you argue against a statement that no one actually made -- sounds like the Political Ramblings board. No one on this thread has said that the Olympics is "the best" tournament, whatever that means. "Best" is one of those strawmen which are easy to set up and easy to knock down, because the word is vague enough it can mean whatever you need it to mean to make your argument look valid. The only person who said anything comparative about the Olympics was me, and I said it was the highest profile event in the world of volleyball. If anyone disagrees with that, they must have just stepped off a train from a parallel universe, because in this universe, on this planet, the Olympics is absolutely considered the pinnacle of the sport that everyone looks to. Just like in soccer, there are plenty of years when the Champions League or the Euro features more intense competition and concentrated talent than any other tournament, but that doesn't change the fact that the sport lives and dies for the every-4-years World Cup. |
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Post by abugslife on Feb 20, 2011 14:23:00 GMT -5
This has been a very interesting thread but I am torn because part of me thinks it is wrong to leave the wnt because he did commit for the quad and regardless of how long he has been coaching he knew what to expect especially when it deals with time and travel commitment. He amazed me with how he dealt with the family situation in china and I think truly should perserverance, but he made a commitment. Yes the women will rebound and blah blah blah but he has a system in place and to make them change systems a year and a half before olympics and be successful and win is asking a lot. We as a country have always been behind in volleyball when it comes to the other powerhouse countries so for this to happen puts us even further behind. It is so easy to break contracts now, they mean nothing. Unfortunately when you are the face of an organization and the leader of an organization your decisions affect more than just you.
With that being said I also understand the thought of him wanting to be with his family, see his wife, kid, and make maybe make more kids! Wait am I allowed to say that? We as outsiders don't know everything. Ok maybe I do but I ain't telling! Hahahaha!
And Bob- if you say anything bad about my post it will be me and you like in that Michael Jackson video where he is tied to the other guy and they are knife fighting, but I will be the only one wearig the cool leather jacket! I'm crazy!!!!
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Post by azvb on Feb 20, 2011 14:53:14 GMT -5
You know what I've learned this morning? I really don't care that much how about National Team, or International volleyball in general. I mean, I watch every 4 years, I want the USA to win, but that's about as far as it goes. I don't like the International sub rule, the libero no serve rule, the "you gotta wear a skimpy bikini rule" (do they still have the bun hugger rule?), the ugly referee uniforms, etc. My husband owns a CPA firm. He hired "John" 5 years ago. John was single He spent a lot of money sending to training the last 2 years to be an auditor. Part of John's job was to do out-of-town audits. John gets married 2 years ago, and his wife had a baby around Halloween, his father died last year and his mother is quite ill. Guess what? John found a job with a little less pay, but no travel. He gave 2 weeks notice, just as tax season is starting. Puts my husband in a bind, puts the whole office in a bind. But my husband told him, "Your kids grow up so fast - I don't blame you. Husband and father is the most important job you will ever have" Yes, it would have been nice if he could have stuck it out through tax season, but the job was available now, so he jumped. The women on the NT are making good money. If they don't medal, they will still make good money and have all the swag that goes with being on the NT. Hugh gave a lot of good years, he probably made a decent living, he owes them nothing, they owe him nothing. Now, if he starts the "Jerry Brown*" team switch-er-roo thing, I'll think he's a jerk. But IMHO, he's on Santa's good list. *That's the guy who switches NBA/College/NBA/College, right? I think you meant Larry Brown. Thanks, changed it. I guess this is why the Minnesota hiring took so long - lots of conference calls going on between Hugh/Minnesota and USAV. |
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Post by NebraskaVBfan93 on Feb 20, 2011 14:56:49 GMT -5
You know, it's threads like this one and the ignorant posters posting their opinions and passing them off as "truth" that initially makes me respond the way I do sometimes. So, this time I will respond like a "normal" poster and show all of you how wrong you are. +5 This is a GSBB that I appreciate more than words can express. Incredibly well written. Thank you for sharing. |
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Post by ay2013 on Feb 20, 2011 14:59:56 GMT -5
Good luck to Hugh on his future endeavors, but I hope USAV can find a solid coach to push this young talent far.
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Post by nine4life on Feb 20, 2011 15:02:04 GMT -5
And, GoBB is right again, the Olympics is NOT the best tournament. Its only the best marketed tournament for America. Bob isn't "right again", because his argument on that point is a non-point based on a trumped up debate that no one is having. Words have actual meanings. Change a word, change a meaning, make yourself look good when you argue against a statement that no one actually made -- sounds like the Political Ramblings board. No one on this thread has said that the Olympics is "the best" tournament, whatever that means. "Best" is one of those strawmen which are easy to set up and easy to knock down, because the word is vague enough it can mean whatever you need it to mean to make your argument look valid. The only person who said anything comparative about the Olympics was me, and I said it was the highest profile event in the world of volleyball. If anyone disagrees with that, they must have just stepped off a train from a parallel universe, because in this universe, on this planet, the Olympics is absolutely considered the pinnacle of the sport that everyone looks to. Just like in soccer, there are plenty of years when the Champions League or the Euro features more intense competition and concentrated talent than any other tournament, but that doesn't change the fact that the sport lives and dies for the every-4-years World Cup. No offense, but the World Cup does give the Olympics a run for it's money. In the US, the Olympics is the single most important tournament for Americans, but not the rest of the world. In fact, more often then not, the consensus is the World Cup, regarding the rest of the world, in terms of volleyball. |
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Post by USAFAN on Feb 20, 2011 15:19:38 GMT -5
Bob isn't "right again", because his argument on that point is a non-point based on a trumped up debate that no one is having. Words have actual meanings. Change a word, change a meaning, make yourself look good when you argue against a statement that no one actually made -- sounds like the Political Ramblings board. No one on this thread has said that the Olympics is "the best" tournament, whatever that means. "Best" is one of those strawmen which are easy to set up and easy to knock down, because the word is vague enough it can mean whatever you need it to mean to make your argument look valid. The only person who said anything comparative about the Olympics was me, and I said it was the highest profile event in the world of volleyball. If anyone disagrees with that, they must have just stepped off a train from a parallel universe, because in this universe, on this planet, the Olympics is absolutely considered the pinnacle of the sport that everyone looks to. Just like in soccer, there are plenty of years when the Champions League or the Euro features more intense competition and concentrated talent than any other tournament, but that doesn't change the fact that the sport lives and dies for the every-4-years World Cup. No offense, but the World Cup does give the Olympics a run for it's money. In the US, the Olympics is the single important tournament for Americans, but not the rest of the world. In fact, more often then not, the consensus is the World Cup, regarding the rest of the world, in terms of volleyball. Name countries that value the World Cup over the Olympics. Brazil, Russia, Cuba, China....no. If anything the Olympics are what make the World Cup a big deal because of the qualification opportunity. |
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Post by OverAndUnder on Feb 20, 2011 15:27:47 GMT -5
"...and welcome back to the NCAA Women's Volleyball Championship Finals. I'm Beth Mowins, here with 1986 World Championships and Goodwill Games gold medalist Karch Kiraly......"
ROFL.
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Post by midnightblue on Feb 20, 2011 15:40:35 GMT -5
"...and welcome back to the NCAA Women's Volleyball Championship Finals. I'm Beth Mowins, here with 1986 World Championships and Goodwill Games gold medalist Karch Kiraly......" ROFL. HA! +1 |
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Post by Keystonekid on Feb 20, 2011 15:48:31 GMT -5
Theyre going to hire Karch as head coach.
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Post by bunnywailer on Feb 20, 2011 16:04:27 GMT -5
There going to hire Karch as head coach. That would be cool. He should wear a pink hat on the sidelines when he coaches. |
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Post by nitneliun on Feb 20, 2011 16:12:50 GMT -5
There going to hire Karch as head coach. No their won't. |
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Post by Keystonekid on Feb 20, 2011 16:26:48 GMT -5
There going to hire Karch as head coach. No their won't. you wanna bet? |
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