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Post by d3coach on Jul 1, 2011 20:51:55 GMT -5
Personally, I think this coach is trying to do something that in principle sounds good, but is probably a bit extreme, and *could* cause harm - think carpel tunnel syndrome, arthritis, tendonitis, etc... down the line. Now with that said, I wouldn't go running around saying that this coach doesn't know what they're talking about, I just tend to disagree with their methods, and if it were my daughter I would probably politely ask the coach if they would be willing do something with a setter's ball, or different technique in order to strengthen her.
#1 - I think they should be catching and tossing, not setting. Catching and tossing using proper technique will strengthen the muscles used to set, as well as the muscles around them, creating balance. Setting seems like it would have much more of a negative impact on the ligaments and tendons, and realistically, you can't mimic the technique or mechanics of setting a volleyball by using a larger, significantly heavier ball anyway.
#2 If this coach were to replicate a volleyball, with added weight, I would think it would be much more beneficial to raise the weight slowly, rather than going to an 8 lb ball at the age of 14.
#3 I think the number of repetitions may be a bit high for the weight. Doing 4-5 sets of 20-25 reps, with an 8 lb ball is going to build strength in just about any 14 year old's wrists. By going for 150-200 reps she is really pushing her body hard at a young age, when she is probably not done maturing and growing. Personally, I wouldn't be comfortable doing that.
I would personally ask the coach to refrain from using such a heavy ball, in a setting motion, with so many repititions.
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Post by abugslife on Jul 2, 2011 17:32:34 GMT -5
I am sorry but I am not jumping the gun on this one. We know nothing other than what a parent heard what was happening in another club. That a kid was setting an 8pm ball against a wall for 150-200 reps.... I don't know about this. We are sitting here saying it is all wrong or may cause bad habits and injury but we have no details to go off of. For once I am saying come with more info than what. It is like me posting on a basketball site is it normal for 14/15yr olds to do chest passes with an 8pm ball because I heard not seen it being done at another club. For all we really know it could be a great drill but going off very little detail automatically say no it isnt.
Not buying, next!
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Post by sevb on Jul 2, 2011 19:45:55 GMT -5
I find it funny that ppl keep saying 8lbs is just to much... its less than what a gallon of water weighs... any of you running to stop your child from pouring cereal in the morning?? Come on... and I agree with Bug, unless you know exactly what is in question - its fairly hard to judge the mechanics of the thing second hand!!
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Post by d3coach on Jul 2, 2011 21:09:13 GMT -5
Setting an 8 lb ball, is setting an 8 lb ball. Doing it 150+ times seems like it could cause risk, especially at a young age. If you want your kid to do it that's fine. But I wouldn't allow MY daughter to do it, nor would I allow coaches I oversaw as a part of a club, HS, or college to use that technique to strengthen a setter. That's all I was saying.
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Post by d3coach on Jul 2, 2011 21:12:34 GMT -5
I find it funny that ppl keep saying 8lbs is just to much... its less than what a gallon of water weighs... any of you running to stop your child from pouring cereal in the morning?? Come on... and I agree with Bug, unless you know exactly what is in question - its fairly hard to judge the mechanics of the thing second hand!! We aren't talking about lifting and holding an 8 lb ball. We are talking about an overhead motion with repetitive impact. Even though its not "heavy" doesn't mean it can't cause harm.
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Post by abugslife on Jul 2, 2011 21:15:25 GMT -5
Setting an 8 lb ball, is setting an 8 lb ball. Doing it 150+ times seems like it could cause risk, especially at a young age. If you want your kid to do it that's fine. But I wouldn't allow MY daughter to do it, nor would I allow coaches I oversaw as a part of a club, HS, or college to use that technique to strengthen a setter. That's all I was saying. But do we know anything of what was done other than a kid had an 8pm ball and did 150-200 rebs. I highly doubt there was any true setting done, I don't think an 8pm ball would be tossed for a kid to set. Are talking about a kid against a wall doing baby sets for wrist strength? We have zero knowledge of what was being done one two small bits of info. 8 lbs and 150-200 Rebs and we don't even know if that number is correct or is that what the PARENT guessed. "man they look like they have been going for a while, what was that 150-200 rebs?
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Post by d3coach on Jul 2, 2011 21:59:44 GMT -5
Setting an 8 lb ball, is setting an 8 lb ball. Doing it 150+ times seems like it could cause risk, especially at a young age. If you want your kid to do it that's fine. But I wouldn't allow MY daughter to do it, nor would I allow coaches I oversaw as a part of a club, HS, or college to use that technique to strengthen a setter. That's all I was saying. But do we know anything of what was done other than a kid had an 8pm ball and did 150-200 rebs. I highly doubt there was any true setting done, I don't think an 8pm ball would be tossed for a kid to set. Are talking about a kid against a wall doing baby sets for wrist strength? We have zero knowledge of what was being done one two small bits of info. 8 lbs and 150-200 Rebs and we don't even know if that number is correct or is that what the PARENT guessed. "man they look like they have been going for a while, what was that 150-200 rebs? Right, but this topic was created to ask if this was a proper technique, or should this dad be worried. My response is, if this is what the coach is having your daughter do, then yes, I would personally question the validity of this training technique. I also said that I wouldn't disqualify this coach as not being knowledgeable, but that this specific technique seems "off" and the dad should look into it further... I am not saying to tell everyone the coach is some unknowing fool who should never be allowed in the gym. The coach may say that she was not setting it, she was catching and tossing, that it was only 50 times not 200 and the discussion is over and everyone is moves forward. Or the coach may say yes she was setting it 200 times, and the dad has the right to say he doesn't feel comfortable with that type of training, can the coach make an adjustment to his tactics. I am not judging the coach, because we don't know what was done. However I do feel comfortable judging this technique as not something I would recommend. Nothing more...
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Post by sevb on Jul 2, 2011 22:20:08 GMT -5
All we "know" is the kid was training with an 8lb something!! Biomechanically I find it highly unlikely that it was "setting"! Given that... I have zero issue with 8lbs...and 200 reps over what?? A two hour practice... Thats average... Thats 50 reps a water break... Big deal... Far to many unknows for me to jump on the "the coach is an idiot" bandwagon!!
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Post by abugslife on Jul 2, 2011 22:33:24 GMT -5
But do we know anything of what was done other than a kid had an 8pm ball and did 150-200 rebs. I highly doubt there was any true setting done, I don't think an 8pm ball would be tossed for a kid to set. Are talking about a kid against a wall doing baby sets for wrist strength? We have zero knowledge of what was being done one two small bits of info. 8 lbs and 150-200 Rebs and we don't even know if that number is correct or is that what the PARENT guessed. "man they look like they have been going for a while, what was that 150-200 rebs? Right, but this topic was created to ask if this was a proper technique, or should this dad be worried. My response is, if this is what the coach is having your daughter do, then yes, I would personally question the validity of this training technique. I also said that I wouldn't disqualify this coach as not being knowledgeable, but that this specific technique seems "off" and the dad should look into it further... I am not saying to tell everyone the coach is some unknowing fool who should never be allowed in the gym. The coach may say that she was not setting it, she was catching and tossing, that it was only 50 times not 200 and the discussion is over and everyone is moves forward. Or the coach may say yes she was setting it 200 times, and the dad has the right to say he doesn't feel comfortable with that type of training, can the coach make an adjustment to his tactics. I am not judging the coach, because we don't know what was done. However I do feel comfortable judging this technique as not something I would recommend. Nothing more... You are questioning the validity of something you know no details about. You know 2 things. 8lbs and what is said by a PARENT to be 150-200 rebs. You don't if that is the amount for sure, the duration, drills, nothing. I can't see a kid being able to set an 8lb ball out to the pin, we don't even know the distance she was "setting it". Or better yet was it on a toss, was the kid using her broken wrists to set it? I can't comfortably judge something I know no details about. That is like saying I heard you where driving and there was a dinosaur involved. I do fee comfortable in saying you shouldn't be driving a dinosaur- even though I didn't see you driving it but because driving and dinosaur were mentioned in the same sentence that is what I will ASSUME you were doing.
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Post by sevb on Jul 2, 2011 22:36:17 GMT -5
I bet you'd look Hella good on a t-Rex!! Those things are HOTT!!
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Post by abugslife on Jul 2, 2011 22:38:32 GMT -5
I bet you'd look Hella good on a t-Rex!! Those things are HOTT!! I would drive the hell out of that thing while setting my 8lb ball out to the pin!!!
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Post by sevb on Jul 2, 2011 22:39:32 GMT -5
Hint... The right pin is closer!!
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Post by abugslife on Jul 2, 2011 22:41:42 GMT -5
Hint... The right pin is closer!! Good point but back setting the 8lb ball will definitley get me carpel tunnel!! Only moving forward my friend.
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Post by sevb on Jul 2, 2011 22:47:05 GMT -5
So will fb... But I bet no one complains about hours txting or posting!!
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Post by abugslife on Jul 2, 2011 23:43:48 GMT -5
So will fb... But I bet no one complains about hours txting or posting!! Only if they were typing on an 8lb ball!
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