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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2011 1:13:56 GMT -5
I remember my coaches making me strengthen my wrists using 5-gallon buckets filled with sand. I don't remember how many reps I did, but I remember doing A LOT. Worked, too.
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Post by ja on Jul 3, 2011 7:23:44 GMT -5
Thanks for the responses. When I first heard about it from another club parent it seemed pretty extreme. I thought it might create undue stress on the wrists and maybe tendonitis but I am not a coach or a trainer so what do I know? I am familiar with a setters training ball and have seen that used many times. Just never a heavy ball... You are absolutely correct about long term issues. That kind of training was done in 70 in East Germany. None of that experimental group of girls made it through without injuries. It was replaced later with resistant band training. I would rather be safe then sorry! BTW, it would be very interesting to see that coach to jump set this 8 pl ball during demonstration of proper setting technique!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2011 8:45:01 GMT -5
I remember my coaches making me strengthen my wrists using 5-gallon buckets filled with sand. I don't remember how many reps I did, but I remember doing A LOT. Worked, too. at age 14?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2011 8:49:19 GMT -5
But do we know anything of what was done other than a kid had an 8pm ball and did 150-200 rebs. I highly doubt there was any true setting done, I don't think an 8pm ball would be tossed for a kid to set. Are talking about a kid against a wall doing baby sets for wrist strength? We have zero knowledge of what was being done one two small bits of info. 8 lbs and 150-200 Rebs and we don't even know if that number is correct or is that what the PARENT guessed. "man they look like they have been going for a while, what was that 150-200 rebs? Right, but this topic was created to ask if this was a proper technique, or should this dad be worried. My response is, if this is what the coach is having your daughter do, then yes, I would personally question the validity of this training technique. I also said that I wouldn't disqualify this coach as not being knowledgeable, but that this specific technique seems "off" and the dad should look into it further... I am not saying to tell everyone the coach is some unknowing fool who should never be allowed in the gym. The coach may say that she was not setting it, she was catching and tossing, that it was only 50 times not 200 and the discussion is over and everyone is moves forward. Or the coach may say yes she was setting it 200 times, and the dad has the right to say he doesn't feel comfortable with that type of training, can the coach make an adjustment to his tactics. I am not judging the coach, because we don't know what was done. However I do feel comfortable judging this technique as not something I would recommend. Nothing more... +1 i'm with you on this one, coach. i absolutely would NOT want my 14-yr-old daughter doing what was described. i understand that the scenario was given to us 2nd-hand, but that doesn't mean it's a scenario unworthy of comment. if the described training was proposed for my young daughter by a coach, i would have to object for all the reasons you gave... ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png)
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Post by volleyballnow on Jul 5, 2011 10:10:05 GMT -5
I have been training setters for over 27 years. My setters have gone on to such schools as UCLA, USC, Hawaii, Washington State, Duke, Santa Clara, Arizona St and others. I have never used a weighted ball I have 12 year olds that I train now that can set a ball to the pin. We focus on tricep strength which is the main muscle that extends the arm By building stregth there we are able to increase the arm extension speed. www.volleyballnow.net
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Post by bonneylake on Jul 5, 2011 15:14:10 GMT -5
Anyone know of any good (setter) training camps or personal trainers in Washington State?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2011 20:59:00 GMT -5
I remember my coaches making me strengthen my wrists using 5-gallon buckets filled with sand. I don't remember how many reps I did, but I remember doing A LOT. Worked, too. at age 14? 15.
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Post by Keystonekid on Jul 5, 2011 21:25:34 GMT -5
Setting an 8 lb ball, is setting an 8 lb ball. Doing it 150+ times seems like it could cause risk, especially at a young age. If you want your kid to do it that's fine. But I wouldn't allow MY daughter to do it, nor would I allow coaches I oversaw as a part of a club, HS, or college to use that technique to strengthen a setter. That's all I was saying. We use the 8lb ball against the walll everyday and have for 10 years, ive never had a chronic wrist injury in a player let alone a significant one. This specific drill is also done in hundreds of gyms across the country by top setting coaches, who are responsible, and care deeply about the safety of their athletes. Im not sure what specific setting drills this person is talking about, but setting an 8lb ball into a wall, 8 inches away doesnt cause any significant impact or stress that any reasonable person would worry about. Again, an 8lb ball bouncing off a wall 8 inches from your hands, causing way less stress than an attacked ball by a demonstrative attacker does on a blockers wrist. As one of our current young setters father is a top orthopaedic surgeon, and see's his daughter do this benign excercise nearly daily, if he isnt concerned, im not either.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2011 7:18:33 GMT -5
i remember coaches running kids for punishment too. doesn't mean it's a good idea or constructive to their development. can we agree that this setter "training" is, at best, "old school"? ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png)
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Post by ciscokeed on Jul 6, 2011 9:44:46 GMT -5
The weighted setting ball is a great tool for setter training- but merely one of many ways to get better. Certainly you would want to build up strength before overdoing it with younger players- but we don't know enough about if they slowly built up reps before doing so many reps or if they just jumped in at that high number- however that ball does wonders for being able to push the ball out on a bad dig- and I think often improves setters confidence in being able to take that high spinning dig and put up a solid ball...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2011 11:15:53 GMT -5
i remember coaches running kids for punishment too. doesn't mean it's a good idea or constructive to their development. can we agree that this setter "training" is, at best, "old school"? ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png) It wasn't a punishment. It was to build wrist and forearm strength. It definitely isn't "old school." It works. I didn't develop any sort of carpal tunnel, wrist or forearm tendinitis, or have any other overuse injuries. I don't understand why some of you are fighting this so hard.
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Post by questionableskills on Jul 6, 2011 12:39:22 GMT -5
I thought when this dropped off the first page it was done. Sounds like many opinions on this. I'm glad I posted the question because I had never heard of it before but it sounds like some of you are very familiar with it. Thanks for enlightening me!
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Post by Keystonekid on Jul 6, 2011 13:32:13 GMT -5
I have been training setters for over 27 years. My setters have gone on to such schools as UCLA, USC, Hawaii, Washington State, Duke, Santa Clara, Arizona St and others. I have never used a weighted ball I have 12 year olds that I train now that can set a ball to the pin. We focus on tricep strength which is the main muscle that extends the arm By building stregth there we are able to increase the arm extension speed. www.volleyballnow.netIm not a GM2 guy, which is to say I think there are several ways you can train athletes and skills. Im not saying the use of the heavy ball is best, only that it isnt unsafe if used in controlled and supervised settings. We are training setters to take the ball high with little or no elbow bend, so the ball is set almost completely using wrists, with little or no arms. Ive had 6 HS or collegiate all-americans in that position, and as ive said, no wrist injuries ever. Mick Haley trains his setters different than Terry Pettit did, and Russ different from both. Great setter coaches share one thing, they spend tons of time working one on one with their players. There are plenty ways to skin a cat. Brian Gimallaro has every detail covered and focuses on mechanics, Russ says "get your friggin feet to the ball and square" I didnt insinuate you must use a weighted ball, only that those that do arent putting the safety and well being of their athletes in jeopardy.
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