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Post by questionableskills on Jun 23, 2011 11:26:43 GMT -5
Is it normal to train a 14/15 yr old setter by having her set an 8 lb heavy ball against the wall for about 150 to 200 reps? I had not seen that done before but thought I would throw it out for your feedback. I thought it might lead to some physical problems down the road but maybe it increases strength?
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Post by go12 on Jun 23, 2011 11:31:33 GMT -5
Is it normal to train a 14/15 yr old setter by having her set an 8 lb heavy ball against the wall for about 150 to 200 reps? I had not seen that done before but thought I would throw it out for your feedback. I thought it might lead to some physical problems down the road but maybe it increases strength? I've seen it done before, but it depends on the physical stature of the athlete. Somebody that has participated in gymnastics or is naturally strong may get some benefit. The downside is, if they aren't strong enough already, it will teach bad habits as they compensate to handle the weight of the ball. |
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Post by Pirate VB Fan on Jun 23, 2011 11:33:44 GMT -5
An 8 lb ball? That is ridiculous. But Tachikara makes a 16 oz TB-18 Setter training ball that works really well. It is about twice the weight (normal is 9.5 oz) of a normal ball so after practicing with the Setter ball for a while setting a normal ball seems easy (just like how light you feel after taking off a heavy pack after a long hike).
One caution: don't try to spike the Setter ball. That is a good way to throw out a shoulder or hurt a hand.
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Post by sevb on Jun 23, 2011 11:45:24 GMT -5
Doesn't seem like the biomechanics would be the same... But without seeing exactly what is being done it's hard to judge! I don't find an issue with the weight if there are allowances for the mehanics (strength development over quick release) and there certainly isn't a problem with doing 200 reps when it comes to setting ( again dependent on what exactly us being done)
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Post by questionableskills on Jun 23, 2011 14:01:22 GMT -5
Thanks for the responses. When I first heard about it from another club parent it seemed pretty extreme. I thought it might create undue stress on the wrists and maybe tendonitis but I am not a coach or a trainer so what do I know? I am familiar with a setters training ball and have seen that used many times. Just never a heavy ball...
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Post by ESTRELLA on Jun 23, 2011 15:08:28 GMT -5
Great way to learn how to "deep-dish" when you set. It is based on the concept of resistance training and trains to slow wrist action. Something I would totally recomend to get away from.
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Post by head31919 on Jun 23, 2011 15:23:17 GMT -5
Great way to learn how to "deep-dish" when you set. It is based on the concept of resistance training and trains to slow wrist action. Something I would totally recomend to get away from. Agree. I think it's an attempt to kind of speed up the maturity of young players. I think it would be pretty rare to find a 16 y/o kid who has been setting for 4 years (maybe not even as a setter, just as a general volleyball player) and has proper technique that can't push the ball where it needs to go. I think a lot of coaches want their 14 year old to be able to do that, but they just aren't mature physically enough yet. I think that med ball training has plenty of benefits, but as far as training the specific setting action, it's not something I would do as a coach anymore, especially considering what most of the research into specificity suggests. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2011 15:53:29 GMT -5
Great way to learn how to "deep-dish" when you set. So is playing sand.  |
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Post by volleyhead on Jun 23, 2011 19:26:14 GMT -5
8lbs is not a good way to increase strength. Setting is about touch and speed of your release. Using a setter training ball as mentioned is a better way than using a med ball to develop strength in hands and wrists.
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Post by vball24 on Jun 23, 2011 23:14:21 GMT -5
i've done it messing around before with a 6lb ball, but i'm a pretty big guy and am certainly MUCH stronger than a hs girl. 2lbs would prob be the heaviest to ever go, but i'm just throwing it out there since i've never tried it with them
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Post by chucksbeardvb on Jun 23, 2011 23:59:10 GMT -5
I use an 8lb. ball to do warmup pepper with myself.
There is no fast wrist action on a roundhouse kick.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2011 1:05:58 GMT -5
Is it normal? No.
Does it build strength? Probably.
Could it cause problems? Probably, as could most exercises done in excess.
Probably more ineffective than dangerous. If the goal is training technique, then it's not effective. But if the goal is sport specific conditioning then it may not be that crazy. Then you have to ask if conditioning at this age is that important.
My 2 cents
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Post by ESTRELLA on Jun 24, 2011 8:52:04 GMT -5
Is it normal? No. Does it build strength? Probably. Could it cause problems? Probably, as could most exercises done in excess. Probably more ineffective than dangerous. If the goal is training technique, then it's not effective. But if the goal is sport specific conditioning then it may not be that crazy. Then you have to ask if conditioning at this age is that important. My 2 cents Very well stated! Estrella  |
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Post by Wiswell on Jun 24, 2011 9:26:38 GMT -5
8 lb ball? That just seems outrageously heavy. I would think it would lead to worse setter form, because you'd almost be forced to throw the ball at that weight.
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Post by vbfamily01 on Jul 1, 2011 2:15:11 GMT -5
Thanks for the responses. When I first heard about it from another club parent it seemed pretty extreme. I thought it might create undue stress on the wrists and maybe tendonitis but I am not a coach or a trainer so what do I know? I am familiar with a setters training ball and have seen that used many times. Just never a heavy ball... I train setting at what would be considered a "high level". I use 6 LB medicine balls. It provides the athlete to have better rhythm and mechanics. And eliminate a ton of bad habits when taught in a progression, however, THEY NEVER ACTUALLY LIVE SET. Impossible, but catch/push...realistic. Thats my 2cents. Was the person teaching your friends child from a higher level? College coach? Major club trainer, etc?? |
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