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Post by pavbfan on Nov 6, 2011 14:40:00 GMT -5
Paterno and McQueary seem to have done what they were supposed to do, quickly report a possible crime to their superiors. As a teacher, I am mandated by law to report any abuse to the proper authorities. If a child is in immediate danger, that would be 911. Otherwise we are to call Child Protective Services. We have a yearly training, and never, never do you just call your superiors. Paterno and McQueary did not do what they were supposed to do. I was truly sickened by the Grand Jury Report. I hope all involved are held accountable for what they did or in the case of some, did not do.
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Post by tomclen on Nov 6, 2011 15:13:12 GMT -5
Paterno and McQueary seem to have done what they were supposed to do, quickly report a possible crime to their superiors. As a teacher, I am mandated by law to report any abuse to the proper authorities. If a child is in immediate danger, that would be 911. Otherwise we are to call Child Protective Services. We have a yearly training, and never, never do you just call your superiors. Paterno and McQueary did not do what they were supposed to do. I was truly sickened by the Grand Jury Report. I hope all involved are held accountable for what they did or in the case of some, did not do. That's the point. No one called police. Ever. To this day. No one has called 9-1-1. No one called the regular police non-emergency number. Think about that. A graduate assistant saw a football coach at Penn State having sex with a 10-year old boy in a PSU shower. He reported it to the coaching staff. Joe Paterno was told about it, directly. The AD was told about it. Yet, to this day, no one has called the police. Pennsylvania's Attorney General suggests the inaction of anyone at the top at PSU allowed the assistant football coach to abuse his most recent victim for several years. Call it hyperbole, but I'm saying Paterno, the AD and school president should be fired. I actually don't think it's too much of a stretch to say the Penn State football program should be eliminated. Of course it won't. Too much big money from too many well-heeled big boosters. Money first. 10-year old boys being abused in PSU football locker room by PSU football coach not so important. Joe Paterno. Living proof of the old saying: Power Corrupts. Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. .
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Post by truffleshuffle on Nov 6, 2011 15:41:18 GMT -5
Paterno and McQueary seem to have done what they were supposed to do, quickly report a possible crime to their superiors. As a teacher, I am mandated by law to report any abuse to the proper authorities. If a child is in immediate danger, that would be 911. Otherwise we are to call Child Protective Services. We have a yearly training, and never, never do you just call your superiors. Paterno and McQueary did not do what they were supposed to do. Wrong. You may be shocked to learn that some states have different laws to the one you live in. www.blackshoediaries.com/2011/11/5/2540413/should-joe-paterno-have-done-more-to-protect-children
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Post by pavbfan on Nov 6, 2011 16:00:27 GMT -5
I'm going by what I know for California. If the grad student walked in the locker room and saw Joe's grandson as the victim . . . Nothing, at this point, will convince me that Paterno did the right thing. It's beyond comprehension the sequence of events that occurred at PSU. I am predicting that more victims will step forward. The abuse should have stopped with victim one. As a teacher, I am mandated by law to report any abuse to the proper authorities. If a child is in immediate danger, that would be 911. Otherwise we are to call Child Protective Services. We have a yearly training, and never, never do you just call your superiors. Paterno and McQueary did not do what they were supposed to do. Wrong. You may be shocked to learn that some states have different laws to the one you live in. www.blackshoediaries.com/2011/11/5/2540413/should-joe-paterno-have-done-more-to-protect-children
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Post by truffleshuffle on Nov 6, 2011 16:57:21 GMT -5
That was not victim one.
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Post by tomclen on Nov 6, 2011 17:10:50 GMT -5
Imagine if a graduate assistant walked in on a DI assistant volleyball coach at a top school having sex with a 10-year old girl in the locker room shower. Then imagine that the head coach is informed and the athletic director.
Then imagine that the head coach does not call police. And we find out several years later that the assistant coach has had sex with several other 10-year old girls.
Then imagine that you're the parent of one of the girls.
Then think about which you would do:
1. Write some posts on Volleytalk defending the coach and the school and the program.
or
2. Want to personally track down the coach and provide your own justice before he gets thrown in jail.
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Post by pavbfan on Nov 6, 2011 17:18:54 GMT -5
Not sure what you mean. I meant the first victim that someone other than Sandusky knew about.
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Post by truffleshuffle on Nov 6, 2011 17:23:00 GMT -5
No one called police. Ever. To this day. No one has called 9-1-1. No one called the regular police non-emergency number. Think about that. yes, and that fault appears to be on curley, schultz and spanier. the article indicates specifically that in the state guidelines, people at an institution are to contact their superiors. mcqueary answers to paterno, who (ostensibly) answers to curley. they followed the chain of command. it was curley's job as head of the athletic department to contact police. or it was spanier's job as head of the university. lol yeah too much money from well-heeled boosters, that's it. not the fact that you're saying one of the most venerable institutions in college football should be shut down because a former coach and two or three administrators screwed up. think about all the good that the football program has done for PSU. it provides probably thousands of jobs to the local economy - coaches, concessions, players, parking attendants, etc. tens of millions of dollars in revenue for the shops and bars downtown. the school wouldn't be anywhere near the size that it is if not for the football program. the paterno library? gone. oh, those athletic programs that don't turn a profit? (i.e., almost all of them.) also gone, since the football program and its $50 million in profits goes to support the entire athletic department. so go ahead and destroy the local economy and the athletic department of penn state. those of us who still enjoy the luxury of logical and reasonable thinking will be on the other side of the room, watching psu play football and volleyball and going up to happy valley for a fun weekend or two each year.
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Post by tomclen on Nov 6, 2011 17:27:13 GMT -5
There are at least 8 victims according to the grand jury report.
When Joe Paterno was told about one incident, in HIS locker room, all Paterno did was tell the AD.
If you saw a child being sexually molested at your workplace by a manager would you call the police or tell your boss? And if you told your boss, but then realized he did not call the police, would you just do nothing?
I almost feel sorry for Jerry Sandusky. He's a pathetic old man who's not going to be well treated in prison.
I have no sympathy for Paterno. He put his power, wealth, status and reputation above the law, above what was right and above the well-being of young boys who were being sexually abused.
Even more pathetic.
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Post by truffleshuffle on Nov 6, 2011 18:31:38 GMT -5
try reading the PA state laws. paterno did what he was supposed to do, he contacted the athletic director (his boss) immediately. why are you so hung up on paterno's role in this? the responsibility of reporting the incident lay at the head of the athletic department and the head of the university. they didn't do that.
again, you've proposed eliminating the entire football program - a decision which would cause irreparable harm to the town, local economy and university. i've heard a lot of over-the-top reactions to this, but yours really takes the cake. the person who did this (sandusky) should be punished and people in positions of authority who did not properly report his actions should be punished. you want to harm thousands of people because of the inaction of a small handful. good work.
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Post by tomclen on Nov 6, 2011 18:48:33 GMT -5
You are pulling legal mumbo-jumbo out of thin air.
I lived and worked in Pennsylvania for seven years. I can tell you, for a fact, that the law says nothing about reporting the sexual molestation of a minor to your 'workplace supervisor.'
Any adult who allows a co-worker to have anal sex with a 10-year old boy and does not notify the police is devoid of any moral standing.
I don't care how many games JoePa has won or how long he has coached. He is a disgrace.
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Post by truffleshuffle on Nov 6, 2011 20:19:42 GMT -5
You are pulling legal mumbo-jumbo out of thin air. I lived and worked in Pennsylvania for seven years. I can tell you, for a fact, that the law says nothing about reporting the sexual molestation of a minor to your 'workplace supervisor.' i lived and worked in pennsylvania for longer than seven years, and i didn't know the rules. nor did i claim to, as you are apparently doing here. but since you are so insistent that this rule doesn't exist: law.onecle.com/pennsylvania/domestic-relations/00.063.011.000.html
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Post by truffleshuffle on Nov 6, 2011 20:21:07 GMT -5
Imagine if a graduate assistant walked in on a DI assistant volleyball coach at a top school having sex with a 10-year old girl in the locker room shower. Then imagine that the head coach is informed and the athletic director. Then imagine that the head coach does not call police. And we find out several years later that the assistant coach has had sex with several other 10-year old girls. Then imagine that you're the parent of one of the girls. Then think about which you would do: 1. Write some posts on Volleytalk defending the coach and the school and the program. or 2. Want to personally track down the coach and provide your own justice before he gets thrown in jail. so you are saying we should base our policy upon our immediate reaction to receiving terrible and disturbing news? sounds like a great idea, if your goal is to be a society of vigilante lunatics.
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Post by elevationvb on Nov 6, 2011 21:18:29 GMT -5
You are pulling legal mumbo-jumbo out of thin air. I lived and worked in Pennsylvania for seven years. I can tell you, for a fact, that the law says nothing about reporting the sexual molestation of a minor to your 'workplace supervisor.' Any adult who allows a co-worker to have anal sex with a 10-year old boy and does not notify the police is devoid of any moral standing. I don't care how many games JoePa has won or how long he has coached. He is a disgrace. Another one who is not bothering to understand facts and law and allowing personal opinion to shape his opinions. Paterno is not implicated in the case.
"Joe Paterno was a witness who cooperated and testified before the grand jury," said Nils Frederiksen, a spokesman for the state attorney general's office. "He's not a suspect."now back to your emotions.
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Post by truffleshuffle on Nov 6, 2011 21:48:07 GMT -5
I don't care how many games JoePa has won or how long he has coached. He is a disgrace. because his inaction arguably resulted in maybe 5 more youths being sexually assaulted, their lives forever damaged? what about someone who says that the football program should be discontinued, which would result in thousands of people's lives being damaged? would that person also be a disgrace?
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