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Post by baywatcher on Nov 26, 2011 18:41:09 GMT -5
As to the brackets, Bofa has pointed out, and rightly, that Northern Iowa has much better credentials than Hawaii and should be seeded higher; you have Hawaii 3, Northern Iowa 11 or 12? (I am still working on mine; waiting for some results, hopefully see the RKPI for this weeks results, and I ended up with N. Iowa 6-PSU 11, which duplicates last year which I whined about, so to be true to myself will have to try again).
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Nov 26, 2011 18:54:50 GMT -5
Everyone realizes that the committee didn't go "straight RPI" last year, right? They used more than just that tool, but the end result looked like they just so happened to use only RPI. As I recollect, the at large teams were exactly in line with RPI, and the 16 seeded teams were the 16 highest RPI teams. How they were seeded didn't follow RPI, but to say the Committee didn't go straight by RPI last year is really making a fine point. Of course they did. Doesn't mean they have to this year, of course. It is technically only a factor. The committee members are bureaucrats, so I would expect their behavior to be bureaucratic and adhere closely to RPI (RPI is one of those things that allows the members to explain things away in very good CYA fashion and "Don't blame us, blame the system"). Pass the Kristi-Kreme's and we've done an outstanding job!! |
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Post by msgt70a on Nov 26, 2011 19:14:26 GMT -5
Too bad for Oregon State (sort of like MIchigan Srate last year). They would have likley made it based on RPI. Huh? Oregon State's RPI is 117. Sorry. I got OSU confused with tOSU. My bad. |
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Post by volleytology on Nov 26, 2011 19:22:43 GMT -5
Bay, yeah I probably have Hawaii too high, but I think their regional will basically be similar teams to what I have; actual seed numbers may be switched around though
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Post by dawgsfan on Nov 26, 2011 20:15:51 GMT -5
With most of the results in for the weekend, I would go with:
1 Nebraska
16 Tennessee (regional at Gainsville)
8 Penn State
9 Florida State
4 Texas
13 Stanford
5 Purdue
12 Minnesota*
2 USC
15 Kentucky*
7 Iowa State
10 Northern Iowa
3 Illinois
14 Pepperdine
6 Hawaii*
11 UCLA
Don't see Florida getting a Top 16 seed, though they will be placed in their own regional. Would love to see certain teams spread out and not having to face their conference until elite 8, but based off regionalization and where specific teams are likely to end up in the RPI I think this could be fairly close. Hawaii and Minnesota regionals wouldn't be fun, but hard to see fitting many other teams into certain slots without making them travel cross country.
Have a hard time putting Stanford that high also considering they finished #5 in the Pac-12 behind Cal and Washington; but neither of those teams have high enough RPI's to jump up to the Top 16.
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Post by volleytology on Nov 26, 2011 20:38:13 GMT -5
Not bad, but Tennessee will be seeded higher and certainly higher than Kentucky
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Post by dawgsfan on Nov 26, 2011 21:02:12 GMT -5
Not bad, but Tennessee will be seeded higher and certainly higher than Kentucky I agree they should be but they would be a better regional fit for Gainsville than any other team that could be at that spot. Will be interesting to see who gets to host. I know the committee has talked about letting the Top 16 host no matter what, but still have a hard time believing that if two regionally close teams make the tourny that they will make them both travel far distances; not to mention forcing certain teams out to Hawaii for the first two rounds. Was exactly what happened to UW 2 years ago when CSU and Northern Colorado both made the tournament and CSU got to host because the two schools are only like 45 min apart. Maybe something similar happens if Northern Colorado wins the Big Sky, or maybe something like Michigan or Michigan State host because of CMU, or Tulsa/Oklahoma host because of each other, or Kansas State because of Wichita State, or Washington/Oregon because of Portland State if they win the Big Sky. This is one of the more intriguing things from this years tourny because there are a few teams that wont be Top 16 that could end up hosting because of other non Top 16 teams that made the tourny and are regionally close. |
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Post by volleytology on Nov 26, 2011 21:09:07 GMT -5
My final tournament selections have been updated on front page. Amazingly, it's very hard to distinguish at the very bottom and therefore you end up going with the higher RPI team as the tie-breaker. Ball State sneaks in as #33 simply based on their one top 25 win against Northern Illinois
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Post by dawgsfan on Nov 26, 2011 21:19:39 GMT -5
My final tournament selections have been updated on front page. Amazingly, it's very hard to distinguish at the very bottom and therefore you end up going with the higher RPI team as the tie-breaker. Ball State sneaks in as #33 simply based on their one top 25 win against Northern Illinois Well time to change the brackets. TAMU just beat Iowa State in 4. |
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Post by volleytology on Nov 26, 2011 21:21:58 GMT -5
I had Iowa State seeded 10th and I'll stick with that !
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Post by dawgsfan on Nov 26, 2011 21:30:25 GMT -5
With most of the results in for the weekend, I would go with: 1 Nebraska 16 Tennessee (regional at Gainsville) 8 Penn State 9 Florida State 4 Texas 13 Stanford 5 Purdue 12 Minnesota* 2 USC 15 Kentucky* 7 Iowa State 10 Northern Iowa 3 Illinois 14 Pepperdine 6 Hawaii* 11 UCLA Don't see Florida getting a Top 16 seed, though they will be placed in their own regional. Would love to see certain teams spread out and not having to face their conference until elite 8, but based off regionalization and where specific teams are likely to end up in the RPI I think this could be fairly close. Hawaii and Minnesota regionals wouldn't be fun, but hard to see fitting many other teams into certain slots without making them travel cross country. Have a hard time putting Stanford that high also considering they finished #5 in the Pac-12 behind Cal and Washington; but neither of those teams have high enough RPI's to jump up to the Top 16. 1 Nebraska 16 TAMU (Gainsville Regional) 8 Penn State 9 Florida State 4 Texas 13 Tennessee (Kentucky Regional) 5 Purdue 12 Iowa State 2 USC 15 Stanford 7 Minnesota* 10 Northern Iowa 3 Illinois 14 Pepperdine 6 Hawaii* 11 UCLA |
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Post by volleytology on Nov 26, 2011 21:37:22 GMT -5
Haha, don't think TAMU will be seeded and Kentucky will definitely be seeded and at their own regional. We'll see soon enough though
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Post by vb55 on Nov 26, 2011 21:37:59 GMT -5
The list of teams looks good, but if the committee goes straight rpi, then they are not passing up 42 Missouri State and taking Ball State, Baylor, Wichita State and MTSU. There is not much difference between the overall resumes when you look at all the factors. Again, speaking if they go by rpi. MSU finished outright 2nd in the MVC behind UNI at 15-3. WSU was 3rd at 13-5. Conference rank is a factor as it shows what a team has done throughout conference play. MTSU lost to WKU twice in the last few weeks and the next best rpi team in the sun belt is 92, Florida International. The Valley is a higher rated rpi conference than the Sun Belt. UNI is 6, MSU 42, WSU 46 and Creighton 60. Illinois State will most likely be around 100. Sun Belt is WKU at 21, MTSU at 47 and Florida International at 92. After that is 100 plus. MTSU has losses to Arkansas, Colorado State, Auburn, Illinois, Cal Poly, Tulsa, Marquette, Arkansas State. I just dont see much difference when you look at all the factors. Again, if they dont go by rpi, then we may as well add Oregon State, Ohio and BYU. But if you go by rpi, then I don't see them skipping Ball State, Western Michigan or any teams in the 40's to take teams in the 50's and 60's.
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Post by vb55 on Nov 26, 2011 21:40:25 GMT -5
Kansas beats Baylor tonight 3-1. Baylor is now 18-14 and 5-11 in conference play. This could also make things interesting.
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Post by vb55 on Nov 26, 2011 22:27:34 GMT -5
Marquette lost to Northern Illinois. 2nd straight loss to end the season. They are 23-10 with a win over Wisconsin-Milwaukee (48) and Middle Tenn (46) for top 50 wins. Will their rpi drop?
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