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Post by volleytology on Nov 26, 2011 22:36:06 GMT -5
Kansas could squeak in if they go straight rpi, which is entirely possible. Missouri St and Ball St are alot alike with decent rpi's but weak resumes. Teams in the 50's will have a real argument this year if not selected.
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Post by lionsfan on Nov 26, 2011 22:41:44 GMT -5
wow, lots of interesting results these last few days...would really like to see a revised RPI...but we don't get to see that before selections are announced, do we? Seems like they should definitely have selection and seeding implications...
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Post by stpaulvolleyball on Nov 26, 2011 22:45:03 GMT -5
2 USC
15 Stanford
7 Minnesota*
10 Northern Iowa
I have my tickets to the Minneapolis Regional, and a Sweet 16 matchup against UNI and the chance to see both Stanford and USC would be my dream regional.
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Post by surfboy on Nov 26, 2011 22:45:51 GMT -5
I wonder if the committee has already picked the seeds? Will there be a revised rpi before the results???
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Nov 26, 2011 22:46:22 GMT -5
wow, lots of interesting results these last few days...would really like to see a revised RPI...but we don't get to see that before selections are announced, do we? Seems like they should definitely have selection and seeding implications... Rich Kern has said he will try to post an updated RKPI here after today's results are in... (and before the selection show). |
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Post by vbnerd on Nov 26, 2011 22:46:55 GMT -5
The list of teams looks good, but if the committee goes straight rpi, then they are not passing up 42 Missouri State and taking Ball State, Baylor, Wichita State and MTSU. There is not much difference between the overall resumes when you look at all the factors. Again, speaking if they go by rpi. MSU finished outright 2nd in the MVC behind UNI at 15-3. WSU was 3rd at 13-5. Conference rank is a factor as it shows what a team has done throughout conference play. MTSU lost to WKU twice in the last few weeks and the next best rpi team in the sun belt is 92, Florida International. The Valley is a higher rated rpi conference than the Sun Belt. UNI is 6, MSU 42, WSU 46 and Creighton 60. Illinois State will most likely be around 100. Sun Belt is WKU at 21, MTSU at 47 and Florida International at 92. After that is 100 plus. MTSU has losses to Arkansas, Colorado State, Auburn, Illinois, Cal Poly, Tulsa, Marquette, Arkansas State. I just dont see much difference when you look at all the factors. Again, if they dont go by rpi, then we may as well add Oregon State, Ohio and BYU. But if you go by rpi, then I don't see them skipping Ball State, Western Michigan or any teams in the 40's to take teams in the 50's and 60's. All logical, but you are focusing on losses. These bubble teams are supposed to lose in the first round. I haven't really broken down the nitty gritty in a couple of years, but about 5 years ago when I did parse every factor apart, the result was that the committee was a sucker for road wins over top 50 teams. Why? Because in most cases bubble teams are going on the road to play a top 50 team. It really doesn't matter if you lose to St Peters because they aren't going to be in the tournament anyway. You take a team like Missouri State or Marquette that hasn't really beaten anybody impressive, but has enough wins over good teams that their RPI looks impressive and ask yourself if you think they have a chance to win a first round matchup? And don't give me "well of course they have a chance" - what does your gut say? My rule of thumb comes down to if you think either of them can beat Washington? How about Florida? Now MTSU beat Missouri, they beat Western Ky, and they beat Marquette. Do you feel any better about them giving a game to Texas A&M or Ohio State? I know I do. I think we'll see how the committee feels tomorrow. Now, I didn't really study last years brackets as much but they seemed to ignore road vs home a bit more than in the past, and with some new seeding rules this year, who knows what they do, but my point is that I'd be careful about looking too much at the losses and the conferences. |
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Post by lionsfan on Nov 26, 2011 22:48:21 GMT -5
I wonder if the committee has already picked the seeds? Will there be a revised rpi before the results??? They would have to, wouldn't they? Or maybe they just look at the old one and look at who lost this weekend to use as "tiebreakers" when they aren't sure. |
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Nov 26, 2011 22:53:25 GMT -5
I wonder if the committee has already picked the seeds? Will there be a revised rpi before the results??? They would have to, wouldn't they? Or maybe they just look at the old one and look at who lost this weekend to use as "tiebreakers" when they aren't sure. last year, there was a final RPI used by the committee. |
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Post by volleytology on Nov 26, 2011 22:54:25 GMT -5
Most likely the seeds were in before this weekend. Nerd is right, ignore losses and look for top 50 wins (on the road is an absolute bonus for the last five slots). Once again, the more it shakes out, the more likely it is that the picks fall pretty much along rpi order
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Post by southie on Nov 26, 2011 23:04:08 GMT -5
Is Oregon in line for Top 16 seed? If so, how does the Oregon football team hosting the Pac 12 championship in Eugene this coming Friday night affect the volleyball playing at home?
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Post by volleytology on Nov 26, 2011 23:09:32 GMT -5
Oregon at 25 is a longshot for seeding. Football game probably affects a lot
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Post by stpaulvolleyball on Nov 26, 2011 23:26:38 GMT -5
Northern Colorado just beat Portland State to take the Big Sky spot.
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Post by dawgsfan on Nov 26, 2011 23:51:17 GMT -5
Northern Colorado just beat Portland State to take the Big Sky spot. Do we see Colorado State host again with Northern Colorado and CSU so close in proximity? CSU is no Top-16 seed, but we all know how the selection committee loves regionally close teams and lessening travel expenses. They did it two years ago. |
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Post by jayj79 on Nov 26, 2011 23:57:54 GMT -5
Northern Colorado just beat Portland State to take the Big Sky spot. Do we see Colorado State host again with Northern Colorado and CSU so close in proximity? CSU is no Top-16 seed, but we all know how the selection committee loves regionally close teams and lessening travel expenses. They did it two years ago. since then, however, the NCAA has adopted a guideline that seeded teams (that have submitted a bid) get priority on hosting. Of course, the committee might play around with the seeds some to facilitate geography. Don't think CSU is close enough to top 16 for them to get away with that one though. Maybe flying a seed that didn't bid into colorado? |
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Post by dawgsfan on Nov 27, 2011 0:03:23 GMT -5
Do we see Colorado State host again with Northern Colorado and CSU so close in proximity? CSU is no Top-16 seed, but we all know how the selection committee loves regionally close teams and lessening travel expenses. They did it two years ago. since then, however, the NCAA has adopted a guideline that seeded teams (that have submitted a bid) get priority on hosting. Of course, the committee might play around with the seeds some to facilitate geography. Don't think CSU is close enough to top 16 for them to get away with that one though. Maybe flying a seed that didn't bid into colorado? Very possible, just don't see how NCAA will tell certain teams that they will have to fly to Hawaii at about 700 per person (except for west coast teams) instead of going to somewhere like Fort Collins for 250 a person. That is assuming the NCAA doesn't subsidize or force Hawaii to subsidize the travel costs. |
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