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Post by wonderwarthog79 on Sept 11, 2014 23:20:48 GMT -5
well there you go....pet peeve #34. Fat guys playing vball against people they shouldn't and wasting everyones time. or skinny guys getting beat by old fat guys and whining about it.
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Post by tinman2 on Sept 12, 2014 15:46:45 GMT -5
tm2: I meant that he creates capital for the venues (eg. AVP) he enters as he IS a draw, like it or otherwise. Now, I'm not saying he couldn't market himself, and doubt he does, but for some product, he might line up. No, I just meant he brings something to an event that an otherwise similarly ranked player do not. The old adage, "Better to have people talking about you than not...". Not all ascribe to that one though...Most marketing/advertisers probably do...WOULD NOT want to be the product behind him after the stories we've ready about Mother Lode...LOL... "He brings something to an event that an otherwise similarly ranked player do not".... like a pack of cigs and an assortment of drugs?
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Post by volleyballjim on Sept 13, 2014 2:25:10 GMT -5
tm2: You WIN on THAT one. BUT, I can name (Well, maybe) 15 better players that are "not remememberable"...I mean, think of what Karch has done through his career with 144 firsts (OK, stole it from BVBDB)..., so WHAT do we "consumers of beach volleyball" post here on VolleyTalk: "Video of Karch tearing down the net..."....Case CLOSED (on Dana)... "can I get a light?"...
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Post by volleyballjim on Sept 18, 2014 1:24:58 GMT -5
#34 - Don’t practice hand setting until your bump setting is in tact. Why? Beacause you don’t have to, YET! Hand setting is REALLY EASY, if you do it WRONG! If some of the pros go a whole game without a handset, what makes YOU think its time to work on that as your bump passes look like the Doppler radar during a mid-winter storm! Hand setting is an “elevated skill” and you don’t bring it in until you’ve got the basics down. Your hitter, if you’re in the early stages of learning the beach, won’t know what to do with it anyway. So, work on that bump set and bring those hands out “…a little bit later” ; - )
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Post by tree on Sept 18, 2014 10:00:27 GMT -5
I enjoyed watching Dana play at Seaside a couple summers ago. Maybe he was on his best behavior or something. Enjoyed watching him serve Skyballs. It was fun. He did not win but he did not throw any fits. Guess I caught him on a good day.
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Post by mnsports255 on Sept 25, 2014 18:52:38 GMT -5
#83: Can I Play? ? ? No ! ! ! Well, . . . Please don’t walk up to a group and say: “Can I join you for a game? I’m here from out of town and I “played in high school”….RATHER, do your soon-to-be-team a favor by WARMING UP nearby, within view so that can see that you have some level of skills, so they don’t end up saying: “Uh, well, this might be our last game (depending upon whether you and your girlfriend LEAVE)”. It just makes it easier to see what level your at (Yes, you can judge someone’s level by their warm-up’s). LAMMMMMMEEEEE! Some of the best and most competitive sand pick-up games my friends and I have been in wouldn't have happened if we didn't ask other people at the courts to play. Not sure how rude the people in Cali are about this, but here in Minnesota, if someone wants to play with or against you, you let them... It's all fun and games.
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Post by volleyballjim on Sept 26, 2014 1:26:23 GMT -5
These, IMHO, are the variables to allowing "Can I join in"? - Time/day of week - constraint of play (3 or 4 games at lunch and out or open play all day Saturday, for example) - # of courts available - # of courts being used - Skill level of area - Region (Year round Hermosa, VERY limited Chicago) - Size of region ( 10m population of LA vs. smaller city) - International venue vs. domestic/local
POINT: Allowing anyone to play is very interesting "theme" and there are a LOT more variables than I list her and all of them account for one's areas acceptability to any challenges or the other side of that . . .
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Post by guest2 on Sept 26, 2014 12:27:55 GMT -5
#83: Can I Play? ? ? No ! ! ! Well, . . . Please don’t walk up to a group and say: “Can I join you for a game? I’m here from out of town and I “played in high school”….RATHER, do your soon-to-be-team a favor by WARMING UP nearby, within view so that can see that you have some level of skills, so they don’t end up saying: “Uh, well, this might be our last game (depending upon whether you and your girlfriend LEAVE)”. It just makes it easier to see what level your at (Yes, you can judge someone’s level by their warm-up’s). LAMMMMMMEEEEE! Some of the best and most competitive sand pick-up games my friends and I have been in wouldn't have happened if we didn't ask other people at the courts to play. Not sure how rude the people in Cali are about this, but here in Minnesota, if someone wants to play with or against you, you let them... It's all fun and games. Its a problem when someone who doesnt know how to play wants to, or someone who isnt near the level of the games. Some beaches have rules that you have to let players call next and its annoying when you have 2-8 AA-AAA guys waiting to play and a drunk 5'8 49 year old puts his name down and then finally comes up. I am in favor of controlling that using some variation of the little league skunk rule. Maybe if you don't get 3 before the other team gets 11, then that ends the match. It is annoying when you are the outsider and cant get a game though
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Post by mnsports255 on Oct 7, 2014 18:35:22 GMT -5
LAMMMMMMEEEEE! Some of the best and most competitive sand pick-up games my friends and I have been in wouldn't have happened if we didn't ask other people at the courts to play. Not sure how rude the people in Cali are about this, but here in Minnesota, if someone wants to play with or against you, you let them... It's all fun and games. Its a problem when someone who doesnt know how to play wants to, or someone who isnt near the level of the games. Some beaches have rules that you have to let players call next and its annoying when you have 2-8 AA-AAA guys waiting to play and a drunk 5'8 49 year old puts his name down and then finally comes up. I am in favor of controlling that using some variation of the little league skunk rule. Maybe if you don't get 3 before the other team gets 11, then that ends the match. It is annoying when you are the outsider and cant get a game though Here in Minnesota, I don't normally run into many bad sand volleyballers. If you aren't seriously into the sport, you don't normally or casually just seek out opportunities to go play, so most the people I come across can sustain a game. However, we've never really had a problem joining real competitive games even though most the players at the courts are in their upper 20s, and 30s. (Us being in HS) Coming down to the courts with a 4s team of people 6'7, 6'4, 6'2, 6'0 (the middle two are girls) in height always seems to command interest from people at the courts.
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Post by volleyballjim on Oct 8, 2014 18:11:17 GMT -5
I've probably said it before, but relative to "allowing people to play", beach is a funny entity. It acutally LOOKS easy, you put your arms out, the ball pops up you "bring out your hands" spin a set and somone crushes it...Well, we all know it doesn't actually happen like that, yet someone watching from afar might think that and "wants to join in"; "Hey, I played in H.S."...Anyway, old guys play against younger players, tall vs. short, guy v. girl, whats to learn (?) and certainly whats not to like? Lots ... LOL..... Beach volleyball just LOOKS too easy at the B and below levels... The "I can do that" as we've all experienced when an "athlete" trys to learn the game in crunch time (meaning YOUR lunch time)...
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Post by volleyballjim on Oct 19, 2014 12:48:46 GMT -5
#33 – CALLING the score is not EVIDENCE of the score. You see, when there is a question about the score being valid, saying “Well, I called 19-18” is not the kind of data we’re looking for. Thanks, anyway. We would like something like: We switched at 18-17 and I’m still serving, or I aced your partner twice and scored with the sideout, so that makes it… Don’t start OFF the discussion with what both sides already know, the score which is being contested. Try a little “data”, otherwise you just want your opponent to “believe” you had the score right, which works for YOU, but probably not for them…
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Post by volleyballjim on Nov 18, 2014 23:04:47 GMT -5
#32 – There is NO way to make “playing volleyball” sound good to your spouse/partner on your way out the door!…You see, you’re #1 Going to the “beach”, #2 to “play” #3 volleyball (see, “rugby” sounds harsher, golf even sounds more technical/better). You’ll NEVER compete with “I’m practicing for a triathalon”, I’m going to workout, etc.”. We LOSE with this sport, and you’ll NEVER make it sound like it really is: A great workout (that also happens to be fun!).
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Post by volleyballjim on Dec 19, 2014 14:30:37 GMT -5
#31 - If you’re going to take it over on 1 or 2, it better be for a POINT! Nobody wants you watch you steal away a good pass, only to issue a free ball to your opponent to begin their offense with. “Option” is the politically correct “name” for the 2 over, not sure what nicety a over-on-serve would be called, BUT they have “limited demand” on the beaches of Cali…Take that good pass and make it even better with a “dime set” and get it over with! Don’t send them a “free ball” after your partner just passed a nail to you . . .
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Post by volleyballjim on Jan 8, 2015 23:16:25 GMT -5
#30 – NEVER, never: “Why didn’t you play like that with ME?” The proverbial “Man, why couldn’t you have played/served/hit like THAT when you played with me? Well, you might not want the answer to THIS one, but regardless, “…don’t go there”.
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Post by volleyballjim on Feb 12, 2015 2:08:13 GMT -5
#29 – Uh, my call my middle – So when you take the ball away from the player who is SUPPOSED to be calling serve, you can also add the nice touch of not even calling him off, you don’t have to wonder why you no longer have a setter in place. YOU were the setter! HE WAS SUPPOSED to be passing the ball NOT YOU! Extra points for shanking the serve that the rightful player might have passed perfectly. PS: Even if you DO pass it well, its pretty tacky to take it from him/her. Oh, and remember, when you looked over, after you stole the pass and concluded that he/she wouldn’t have gotten it anyway, ADD to that formula, the fact that when they DID call “I go/mine” or the like, they didn’t do that with anticipation of YOU diving in front of them. Oh, the life…
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