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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2012 22:45:17 GMT -5
This is spam. Please stop.
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Post by OverAndUnder on Aug 11, 2012 22:54:47 GMT -5
Not to go all gramps get-offa-my-lawn, but 20 years ago before the Internet got taken over by Susy Spiker's suburban mom and dad and Aunt Edith, "crossposting" was considered a heinous offense in most listserv/Usenet groups and mods would slap it down fast. But it was a smaller pool of people then and a certain heterodoxy was easier to enforce. (and not always for the better.)
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Post by geddyleemarvin on Aug 11, 2012 23:51:44 GMT -5
Berg is not good. I watched this match with some college players who asked me why our setter was fat and out of shape! That was their first impression! She made so many serving, location, and defensive errors, I couldn't defend her. Even her demeanor was poor when her hitters needed it most. I honestly wouldn't have her set a NCAA top 15 team! One, stop posting this across multiple threads - the Glass comment as well. Two, if you honestly believe everything you wrote about Berg, you should walk away from the game of volleyball today. Don't say "goodbye," just pack a bag and slink out a side door.
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Post by vbnerd on Aug 12, 2012 0:01:51 GMT -5
Time to train glass or a blocking setter. I've been on this board for many years saying Berg was not good enough. We have the best front line in volleyball. Now let's get some setting and defense. We have "the best front line in volleyball" because we've had an awesome setter to get the ball to them. You may have heard of her; her name is Lindsey Berg. Did the gold medal winners have a blocking setter? The bronze? The 4th place team? Sure, it would be great to have a setter as good as Berg who also happened to be 6'3", but that has nothing to do with this match, this team, this last four years. whoa, deja vu. I swear I read this post on another thread.
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Post by OverAndUnder on Aug 12, 2012 0:15:00 GMT -5
We have "the best front line in volleyball" because we've had an awesome setter to get the ball to them. You may have heard of her; her name is Lindsey Berg. Did the gold medal winners have a blocking setter? The bronze? The 4th place team? Sure, it would be great to have a setter as good as Berg who also happened to be 6'3", but that has nothing to do with this match, this team, this last four years. whoa, deja vu. I swear I read this post on another thread. Baldyballer crossposted it on at least three threads.
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Post by azvb on Aug 12, 2012 9:30:58 GMT -5
Tama -- who I like -- did nothing this entire Olympics. She wasn't a serving specialist (lousy serves) and didn't dig a ball. Totally agree. Did Haneef do much? Seemed like she was more in the way and "too cold to set", according to the announcers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 9:40:23 GMT -5
I found myself saying, "you're 6'7 why are you getting blocked?" I know the game well enough to know that it's hard to come off the bench cold and be productive. Perhaps if you are choosing bench players for situational subbing you might choose younger women who don't need to get to get in the groove first to be productive OR is the double sub just for simply blocking purposes? I didn't see every match but the 4-5 situations I saw I'm not sure I saw a single block or more than one-two rallies that it worked. Easy to sit on the couch and be the coach! To me the bigger question is for the future, and we've talked about this before, how does USA volleyball recruit, PAY and TRAIN to keep these quality women together to allow them to improve? We've all agreed at times that the liberal subs in the HS and college games don't help develop advanced ball control in our big athletic kids. You can't blame these women for going over seas to make money to play the game!
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Post by nothingbutcorn on Aug 12, 2012 10:14:49 GMT -5
Hugh taking players to serve a exact role did not pan out like we had hoped. While you want to take the best twelve, sometimes you need to take a player who meets a need not seen on the court.
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Post by ciscokeed on Aug 12, 2012 18:26:30 GMT -5
What is wrong with u people! we went undefeated during the tournament and smoked Brazil in the first set-and then, yes the wheels came off-but that had nothing to do with roster decisions or coaching-that was a team getting in quicksand-u blow a team out and lose a little focus-the other team plays better and u cant find your mojo-u start pressing because it went from easy to rough and all of a sudden you unravel-it happens in volleyball...I doubt that the rroster made any difference at all at that point
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Post by Phaedrus on Aug 12, 2012 18:35:26 GMT -5
What is wrong with u people! we went undefeated during the tournament and smoked Brazil in the first set-and then, yes the wheels came off-but that had nothing to do with roster decisions or coaching-that was a team getting in quicksand-u blow a team out and lose a little focus-the other team plays better and u cant find your mojo-u start pressing because it went from easy to rough and all of a sudden you unravel-it happens in volleyball...I doubt that the rroster made any difference at all at that point To be fair, this isn't any different from what coaches do to themselves after a loss. You question everything you did up to that point, including the side of the bed you got up on.
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Post by ciscokeed on Aug 12, 2012 18:43:47 GMT -5
it just irritates me that Hugh establishes us as the best program in the world-coaches flawlessly to the finals and now is getting second guessed....it is an awesome accomplishment to medal-period...
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Post by redbeard2008 on Aug 12, 2012 19:53:44 GMT -5
To me the more valid question is not why we fell behind, but why we weren't able to spring back. Where was the leadership?
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Post by c4ndlelight on Aug 12, 2012 19:59:02 GMT -5
I bet Hugh's regretting not dropping an F-bomb.
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Post by sistahsledge on Aug 12, 2012 20:01:28 GMT -5
What is wrong with u people! we went undefeated during the tournament and smoked Brazil in the first set-and then, yes the wheels came off-but that had nothing to do with roster decisions or coaching-that was a team getting in quicksand-u blow a team out and lose a little focus-the other team plays better and u cant find your mojo-u start pressing because it went from easy to rough and all of a sudden you unravel-it happens in volleyball...I doubt that the rroster made any difference at all at that point Well, when "the wheels come off", you replace them with a new set and see if that works. As the starters unravelled, Hugh looked down his bench and saw few answers. Hooker was playing well below her capabilities and her offensive contributions were crucial to the success of this team. But who could he replace her with? Haneef? Tay used to be a great player but her only skill these days is being a 6'7" blocking sub. Her hitting is nowhere near what it used to be and having her play full back row rotations?...would not be pretty. A player like Barboza or Richards could have come in to stabilize the ball control and give Hooker a chance to mentally re-group. When Larson was ineffective, the only option was Hodge, another relatively inexperienced player who looked overwhelmed by the situation. Another steady OH option would have been nice but Hugh gambled on taking a second DS who was of no use in this situation. Speaking of which... if Davis wasn't getting the job done, why didn't Hugh switch it up and designate Myashiro as libero for the 3rd or 4th set? Am I wrong in believing that you can designate whoever you want to be libero at the beginning of the set? I bet Thompson was just DYING to get into the match and try to turn things around. It seemed like Berg had lost her mojo and the team needed somebody to fire them up. I have a feeling that Hugh didn't have faith in Thompson playing across the front row. If he had the option of A. Glass or Carli Lloyd, I wonder if he might have pulled his starting setter. For all the talk of USA having the deepest talent pool, Hugh seemed afraid to use it. This was the Gold medal, all-or-nothing match. If you're going down in flames, you bring out every weapon you've got. In the men's Gold medal match, Russia was on the brink of defeat and the coach pulled the craziest moves ever: MB switches to high-ball hitting OPP, OPP turns into serve-receiving, left side hitting OH. It could have failed miserably but it was a daring move that worked. Of course, who knows if any subs might have helped the USA women. Always fun to speculate anyway...
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Post by Phaedrus on Aug 12, 2012 20:31:04 GMT -5
And Brasil had the best men's team when the Russian juggernaut hit. Rezende put in Giba, probably the best men's player of his era. And they lost too. So what were you saying?
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