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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 6, 2012 16:07:10 GMT -5
The top 16 RPI teams last year were the sixteen seeds -- until apparently RPI#13 Kentucky (IIRC) advised the NCAA that they would not be able to host. At which point the NCAA apparently decided to just let the #17 team (TAMU) be a seed instead. Kentucky was in TAMU's subregional, so effectively nothing changed.
In theory the committee does not have to pick the top 16 RPI teams to be the seeds, but they have certainly shown a tendency to do that the past few years. Anybody not in the top 16 in RPI should be very unsurprised if they don't get seeded.
[Well, apparently I was wrong. Stanford was seeded as RPI#18, according to the table on the previous page.]
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Post by stand on Nov 6, 2012 16:20:02 GMT -5
The top 16 RPI teams last year were the sixteen seeds -- until apparently RPI#13 Kentucky (IIRC) advised the NCAA that they would not be able to host. At which point the NCAA apparently decided to just let the #17 team (TAMU) be a seed instead. Kentucky was in TAMU's subregional, so effectively nothing changed. In theory the committee does not have to pick the top 16 RPI teams to be the seeds, but they have certainly shown a tendency to do that the past few years. Anybody not in the top 16 in RPI should be very unsurprised if they don't get seeded. I think Northern Illinios had an RPI of 14 last year, and they were not seeded. Surprise! In 2009 it was Notre Dame and FIU at 14 and 15. Surprise! In 2008 it was Colorado State at 15 who was surprised. They seem to follow the RPI but are not afraid to make exceptions, and the order of the seeds does not follow the RPI rank order at all. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Nov 6, 2012 18:26:58 GMT -5
The top 16 RPI teams last year were the sixteen seeds -- until apparently RPI#13 Kentucky (IIRC) advised the NCAA that they would not be able to host. At which point the NCAA apparently decided to just let the #17 team (TAMU) be a seed instead. Kentucky was in TAMU's subregional, so effectively nothing changed. In theory the committee does not have to pick the top 16 RPI teams to be the seeds, but they have certainly shown a tendency to do that the past few years. Anybody not in the top 16 in RPI should be very unsurprised if they don't get seeded. [Well, apparently I was wrong. Stanford was seeded as RPI#18, according to the table on the previous page.] But they weren't in the SECOND-TO-LAST RPI! |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Nov 6, 2012 18:32:59 GMT -5
The top 16 RPI teams last year were the sixteen seeds -- until apparently RPI#13 Kentucky (IIRC) advised the NCAA that they would not be able to host. At which point the NCAA apparently decided to just let the #17 team (TAMU) be a seed instead. Kentucky was in TAMU's subregional, so effectively nothing changed. In theory the committee does not have to pick the top 16 RPI teams to be the seeds, but they have certainly shown a tendency to do that the past few years. Anybody not in the top 16 in RPI should be very unsurprised if they don't get seeded. I think Northern Illinios had an RPI of 14 last year, and they were not seeded. Surprise! In 2009 it was Notre Dame and FIU at 14 and 15. Surprise! In 2008 it was Colorado State at 15 who was surprised. They seem to follow the RPI but are not afraid to make exceptions, and the order of the seeds does not follow the RPI rank order at all. Northern Illinois was 17 in the second-to-last RPI. People, this is how it works. |
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Post by BoilerUp! on Nov 10, 2012 14:23:04 GMT -5
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Post by ay2013 on Nov 10, 2012 15:33:57 GMT -5
The bracket is going to be really messy this year because of too many qualified teams from the OH/KY/NC/IN area. It would help a lot if Tennessee, OSU, or Purdue got seeded, so I wouldn't be surprised to see them drop K-State or (especially) USD in favor of one of those. I mocked up some subregionals based on the above RPI projections, current AQs, trying to keep travel to a minimum and giving each seed a favorable first round match-up. The KY/LVILLE/UNC cluster could end up very different, as could the Neb/K-State/Minn to a lesser extent. Stanford Colgate/Creighton/ Santa Clara KentuckyMorehead St./Notre Dame/Michigan BYUUtah St./Colo St./Cal FSUFGCU/Western KY/Jackson St. NebraskaLIU-Brooklyn/UNI/Kansas Florida Ga Southern/Miami/Washington USC Towson/Hawaii/Pepperdine UCLAOhio/Saint Mary's/Clemson Texas Sam Houston/Tulsa/ Texas A&M San DiegoArizona St./Northwestern/SDSU North CarolinaUMES/Liberty/Ohio St. MinnesotaIPFW/Iowa St./Marquette Oregon Portland St./Oklahoma/Michigan St. LouisvillePurdue/Tennessee/Cleveland St. Kansas St.Albany/Wichita St./Arkansas Penn StateYale/Va-Tech/Fairfield no way if UW isn't seeded will they jump over ALL of those mid western states to end up in the farthest subregional. Also some of your pairings aren't taking full advantage of regionalization/separate conference rule. Why would ACC team Clemson skip over an SEC Florida subregional to be flown 2000 miles out west to UCLA? Creighton is 60 miles fro huskerville, you really think the committee would put them on a plane out west? Kentucky is NOT getting a seed.... |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Nov 10, 2012 15:39:38 GMT -5
The bracket is going to be really messy this year because of too many qualified teams from the OH/KY/NC/IN area. It would help a lot if Tennessee, OSU, or Purdue got seeded, so I wouldn't be surprised to see them drop K-State or (especially) USD in favor of one of those. I mocked up some subregionals based on the above RPI projections, current AQs, trying to keep travel to a minimum and giving each seed a favorable first round match-up. The KY/LVILLE/UNC cluster could end up very different, as could the Neb/K-State/Minn to a lesser extent. Stanford Colgate/Creighton/ Santa Clara KentuckyMorehead St./Notre Dame/Michigan BYUUtah St./Colo St./Cal FSUFGCU/Western KY/Jackson St. NebraskaLIU-Brooklyn/UNI/Kansas Florida Ga Southern/Miami/Washington USC Towson/Hawaii/Pepperdine UCLAOhio/Saint Mary's/Clemson Texas Sam Houston/Tulsa/ Texas A&M San DiegoArizona St./Northwestern/SDSU North CarolinaUMES/Liberty/Ohio St. MinnesotaIPFW/Iowa St./Marquette Oregon Portland St./Oklahoma/Michigan St. LouisvillePurdue/Tennessee/Cleveland St. Kansas St.Albany/Wichita St./Arkansas Penn StateYale/Va-Tech/Fairfield no way if UW isn't seeded will they jump over ALL of those mid western states to end up in the farthest subregional. Also some of your pairings aren't taking full advantage of regionalization/separate conference rule. Why would ACC team Clemson skip over an SEC Florida subregional to be flown 2000 miles out west to UCLA? Creighton is 60 miles fro huskerville, you really think the committee would put them on a plane out west? Kentucky is NOT getting a seed.... There's already an ACC team in the Florida subregional, and there was already a MWC team in Huskerville. Methinks the committee would give the MWC champ the deference to not get a weaker seed than the runner-up. UW would jump over ALL of the Midwestern states that get filled up with local teams.... This was prior to Kentucky's loss to Alabama.. that's a nasty one and if the Committee does use AVCA/Pablo in addition to RPI they won't get one. They still might have a Top 16 RPI though. |
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Post by ay2013 on Nov 11, 2012 17:09:03 GMT -5
The bracket is going to be really messy this year because of too many qualified teams from the OH/KY/NC/IN area. It would help a lot if Tennessee, OSU, or Purdue got seeded, so I wouldn't be surprised to see them drop K-State or (especially) USD in favor of one of those. I mocked up some subregionals based on the above RPI projections, current AQs, trying to keep travel to a minimum and giving each seed a favorable first round match-up. The KY/LVILLE/UNC cluster could end up very different, as could the Neb/K-State/Minn to a lesser extent. Stanford Colgate/Creighton/ Santa Clara KentuckyMorehead St./Notre Dame/Michigan BYUUtah St./Colo St./Cal FSUFGCU/Western KY/Jackson St. NebraskaLIU-Brooklyn/UNI/Kansas Florida Ga Southern/Miami/Washington USC Towson/Hawaii/Pepperdine UCLAOhio/Saint Mary's/Clemson Texas Sam Houston/Tulsa/ Texas A&M San DiegoArizona St./Northwestern/SDSU North CarolinaUMES/Liberty/Ohio St. MinnesotaIPFW/Iowa St./Marquette Oregon Portland St./Oklahoma/Michigan St. LouisvillePurdue/Tennessee/Cleveland St. Kansas St.Albany/Wichita St./Arkansas Penn StateYale/Va-Tech/Fairfield are my eyes deceiving me or is Dayton not included in the field of 64? |
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