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Post by ugopher on Nov 20, 2012 13:50:48 GMT -5
I was just trying to do some work on the sub-regionals. It will be interesting to see how the committee will work things. My seeds are heavily located in the mid-west and west coast while most of the automatic qualifiers are located on the east coast. It could be that the east coast seeds may have a pretty easy time of it in rounds 1&2 while the west coast teams could have some tough match-ups.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Nov 20, 2012 13:52:08 GMT -5
I was just trying to do some work on the sub-regionals. It will be interesting to see how the committee will work things. My seeds are heavily located in the mid-west and west coast while most of the automatic qualifiers are located on the east coast. It could be that the east coast seeds may have a pretty easy time of it in rounds 1&2 while the west coast teams could have some tough match-ups. But if you're shipping TONS of teams out of the area, you can actually afford to send the AQs too. If you're already flying everyone out of an area, why not send Dayton to PSU and let Hofstra play at Stanford? |
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Post by trojansc on Nov 20, 2012 13:54:18 GMT -5
Are Washington, USC, UCLA and Oregon and Florida State counted twice as locks and as seeds? They aren't double counted. The seeds are just a list, the locks are actual at large berths. Add up the conference winners + locks + bubble wins = 64. My question to vt experts is what will the committee do with The WCC? They are very highly ranked in RPI/Pablo. Could santa clara and lmu really both get in for 6 bids? |
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Post by ugopher on Nov 20, 2012 14:12:57 GMT -5
I was just trying to do some work on the sub-regionals. It will be interesting to see how the committee will work things. My seeds are heavily located in the mid-west and west coast while most of the automatic qualifiers are located on the east coast. It could be that the east coast seeds may have a pretty easy time of it in rounds 1&2 while the west coast teams could have some tough match-ups. But if you're shipping TONS of teams out of the area, you can actually afford to send the AQs too. If you're already flying everyone out of an area, why not send Dayton to PSU and let Hofstra play at Stanford? If I understood the Guru correctly, the NCAA doesn't pay expenses for all teams. Only teams that can drive. Hofstra can't drive to Stanford and would they want to foot the bill to travel to Stanford only to be one and done? |
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Post by mnsports255 on Nov 20, 2012 14:18:17 GMT -5
Oh gosh, I would kill for Minnesota to be in that Austin regional with Kansas and Texas! Unfortunately, I do end up seeing us in the same regional as Penn State...  |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Nov 20, 2012 14:22:27 GMT -5
But if you're shipping TONS of teams out of the area, you can actually afford to send the AQs too. If you're already flying everyone out of an area, why not send Dayton to PSU and let Hofstra play at Stanford? If I understood the Guru correctly, the NCAA doesn't pay expenses for all teams. Only teams that can drive. Hofstra can't drive to Stanford and would they want to foot the bill to travel to Stanford only to be one and done? But the thing is, there will be teams that travel no matter what. There will be 3 maybe 4 subregionals in the PSU/Louisville/Tennesse/Ohio State travel radius, but 23-24 NCAA teams qualified out there. No matter what, 8-9 teams are flying; it's just a matter of who. Why should the at-larges have to travel to already competitive subregionals while the local seeds feast on AQs? Send UNC and Dayton to State College, Committee. YOU HAVE THE POWER |
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Post by sunsuphornsup on Nov 20, 2012 14:22:38 GMT -5
Oh gosh, I would kill for Minnesota to be in that Austin regional with Kansas and Texas! Unfortunately, I do end up seeing us in the same regional as Penn State... I'd love for Texas to play Minnesota and Kansas again! |
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Post by redbeard2008 on Nov 20, 2012 14:23:25 GMT -5
Only problem I have is with the seeds at the top. Three out of five seeded Pac-12 teams (plus Hawaii) in one region? Why seed Minnesota above UCLA and USC? Perhaps to clear a path strewn with rose petals for PSU...
If Louisville is seeded #4, then all this talk that the selection committee "can look at" the AVCA and Pablo polls is just so much hooey.
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Post by ugopher on Nov 20, 2012 14:25:45 GMT -5
If I understood the Guru correctly, the NCAA doesn't pay expenses for all teams. Only teams that can drive. Hofstra can't drive to Stanford and would they want to foot the bill to travel to Stanford only to be one and done? But the thing is, there will be teams that travel no matter what. There will be 3 maybe 4 subregionals in the PSU/Louisville/Tennesse/Ohio State travel radius, but 23-24 NCAA teams qualified out there. No matter what, 8-9 teams are flying; it's just a matter of who. Why should the at-larges have to travel to already competitive subregionals while the local seeds feast on AQs? Send UNC and Dayton to State College, Committee. YOU HAVE THE POWER Actually, some the AQs have the power: NCAA: "Binghamton, we are going to send you to Stanford for the sub-regionals where you will face Stanford in the first round." Binghamton: "Thanks, but we'll pass. Have a nice tournament!" |
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Post by mnsports255 on Nov 20, 2012 14:29:57 GMT -5
Oh gosh, I would kill for Minnesota to be in that Austin regional with Kansas and Texas! Unfortunately, I do end up seeing us in the same regional as Penn State... I'd love for Texas to play Minnesota and Kansas again! I think Minnesota would beat Kansas. As for Texas, it would still be really hard, but you could see where I might like MNs chances better than against Penn State, who had dominated us this season? That Penn State game would be an automatic season ended where as the Texas Minnesota matchup could possibly go 5 sets. |
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Post by stand on Nov 20, 2012 15:03:37 GMT -5
Actually, some the AQs have the power: NCAA: "Binghamton, we are going to send you to Stanford for the sub-regionals where you will face Stanford in the first round." Binghamton: "Thanks, but we'll pass. Have a nice tournament!" I'd bet Binghamton would play anywhere. Most AQs are excited just to make the tournament, and don't expect to win no matter where they get sent. Being able to play against some of the best players in the world is a big deal. I could understand not having the money, but they have the desire. How many people can watch the Olympics and say "I played (or coached) against her back in the day?" And I understand that volleyball is a non-revenue sport, but I don't buy the NCAA claiming poverty. The NCAA shouldn't even be allowed non-profit status, IMHO. |
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Post by dd2000 on Nov 20, 2012 18:10:51 GMT -5
But if you're shipping TONS of teams out of the area, you can actually afford to send the AQs too. If you're already flying everyone out of an area, why not send Dayton to PSU and let Hofstra play at Stanford? If I understood the Guru correctly, the NCAA doesn't pay expenses for all teams. Only teams that can drive. Hofstra can't drive to Stanford and would they want to foot the bill to travel to Stanford only to be one and done? I thought that teams that could drive paid their own, and teams forced to fly would be paid/subsidized, no?? |
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Post by FreeBall on Nov 20, 2012 19:13:23 GMT -5
If I understood the Guru correctly, the NCAA doesn't pay expenses for all teams. Only teams that can drive. Hofstra can't drive to Stanford and would they want to foot the bill to travel to Stanford only to be one and done? I thought that teams that could drive paid their own, and teams forced to fly would be paid/subsidized, no?? This has been a frustrating year for trying to find answers to these types of questions. In the past, the Championship Handbook and NCAA Manual were both available online, so it was easy to do the research and find authoritative answers. For whatever reason, the NCAA has not made those documents available to the general public this year. Here's my recollection from past research, along with my interpretation of what the Guru stated in the interview: 1. Teams within 400 miles of their playing site are reimbursed at a standard mileage rate. Most of these teams travel by bus, but I believe they have the option to fly at their own expense. In other words, they collect the mileage rate, spend it on the mode of travel they choose, and pay any excess costs out of their own budget. 2. Teams traveling more than 400 miles fly, with arrangements made through an NCAA approved travel agency. The NCAA pays for flights for a set number in the traveling party (not remembering the number?), as well as hotel rooms and possibly a per diem for meals. The Guru mentioned that the committee has a travel budget, which he seemed to indicate is enough to cover these expenses for a limited number of teams. There has never been any specific indication of what this number is, although in the past the Championship Manual instructed the committee to create a bracket that (paraphrasing) "minimized travel to the greatest extent possible". I would be curious to hear from others with more knowledge (or even actual experience) dealing with these issues. |
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Post by PTW winner on Nov 20, 2012 19:15:59 GMT -5
The committee looks right at the rpi and those 10 teams right on the bubble line. Historically though they have not taken the teams in order every year. A team at 50 has jumped a team at 47 for example. Even teams at 58 jumping ahead into an at large bid. The reason is because of closer examination of the wins. A team with 5 top 50 wins looks good but if they were all in the 30-50 range and the team witha lower rpi won 3 top 50 but those were in the 5-25 range then they could leap.
Right now Santa Clara is the last team in but I can see a few potential teams leaping over like Northwestern or Baylor. Also because they don't have any bad losses.
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Post by trojansc on Nov 20, 2012 19:22:39 GMT -5
Only problem I have is with the seeds at the top. Three out of five seeded Pac-12 teams (plus Hawaii) in one region? Why seed Minnesota above UCLA and USC? Perhaps to clear a path strewn with rose petals for PSU... If Louisville is seeded #4, then all this talk that the selection committee "can look at" the AVCA and Pablo polls is just so much hooey. For the seeds. I think 1. Stanford 2. Penn State 3. Texas is pretty much guaranteed - barring Cal upsetting Stanford. Because Minnesota has a better RPI, which I think the comittee will still lean on more. They have wins over Texas & Nebraska (recently). Do I think Minnesota should be seeded higher than UCLA & USC, no. But their AVCA and Pablo aren't that significantly lower so I think it could happenn. Three teams in the Berkeley regional fit well and the NCAA always manages to overload one regional - so I wouldn't be surprised if we see this. UCLA, Stanford, and USC are all in the top 7 of the AVCA, so if the committee actually at least puts some weight on the AVCA, we probably won't see them all together. |
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