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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Nov 21, 2012 17:59:18 GMT -5
UH ends up travelling to a subregional in Los Angeles ( BeiBei). Not gonna happen, pops.  |
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Post by volleyhead on Nov 21, 2012 18:02:08 GMT -5
Hopefully if ISU beats Texas this Saturday they will get a chance to host. I believe they are around 18 for RPI so that win should get them in range. 1 win and 1 loss does not move the RPI that much no matter who you lose to or beat. If you've ever used the RKPI Estimator you will see that there is rarely more than a 2 point swing for beating or losing to a team. I think the committee would consider matches earlier in the week more than later. By Saturday night the bracket is probably almost complete and most likely the top 16 seeds are already picked and travel assignments decided on. I would think it would matter the most with bubble teams and if 1 ends their regular season with a win. There are some conference tournament titles like the MVC on Saturday and there could be some shifting if a team that is not a factor otherwise (Missouri State) were to win the conference tourney. |
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Post by trojansc on Nov 21, 2012 18:52:05 GMT -5
'trojansc', A: "The WCC"...too many bids. Pepperdine will be the final team in with BYU, San Diego and St. Mary's. The ACC, SEC, and Big12 are all under represented... NC State is in (I think regardless) along with one other team in Clemson. Missouri Baylor *All in* I really hope the NCAA committee does NOT agree with you on Clemson or Missouri. Baylor & NC State have a case - but here are the facts on both Tigers teams. Clemson does not belong in the tournament!! Their most impressive win is RPI 53 Xavier before conference play started!! They do not have a TOP 50 RPI win at all! They don't have a really bad loss - but who did they beat? Loyola Marymount can claim 5 Top 50 RPI wins - and Santa Clara can claim four. Santa Clara beat RPI #13, 25, 37, 40. Loyola Marymount beat #31, 36, 37, 45 (twice). Clemson has an RPI of 57. LMU and Santa Clara are both above by a healthy amount at 48 and 45 respectively. The fact is Clemson is ranked lower in Pablo and RPI and their victories are not as impressive as LMU and Santa Clara. I hope the committee at least rewards LMU or Santa Clara with a bid. They really deserve it just based on their resume. I don't care how many teams are in from that conference. Missouri has a better chance than Clemson. But I still don't think that they earn a bid over LMU and Santa Clara. The Tigers are sitting on ONE top 50 RPI win - that's against Tennessee (RPI#15). Their next best victory is over RPI 60 Auburn. Santa Clara beat RPI #13 (better than Tennessee), and has 4 total top 50 RPI victories compared to Missouri's one. LMU again has 5. Missouri is ranked barely below LMU & Santa Clara in RPI at 50, and is ranked below LMU in Pablo, tied with Santa Clara in Pablo. I think the committee might agree with you - but the resume's speak for themselves. As for Baylor - if they take care of things tonight against Texas Tech and SMU I think they may squeak in - but no guarantees. Still bubble. That Kansas victory is really good. My beef with NC State is that again, they only have 1 TOP 50 RPI Victory. Besides their win against North Carolina, they beat Clemson who is 57 RPI. They lost in 5 sets to North Carolina this week. Their lost to RPI 153 Wake Forest doesn't look good either. I do however think NC State will make it in, really because of their 42 RPI. I'll do a final bracketology on Saturday. |
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Post by PTW winner on Nov 22, 2012 0:02:11 GMT -5
'trojansc', A: "The WCC"...too many bids. Pepperdine will be the final team in with BYU, San Diego and St. Mary's. The ACC, SEC, and Big12 are all under represented... NC State is in (I think regardless) along with one other team in Clemson. Missouri Baylor *All in* I really hope the NCAA committee does NOT agree with you on Clemson or Missouri. Baylor & NC State have a case - but here are the facts on both Tigers teams. Clemson does not belong in the tournament!! Their most impressive win is RPI 53 Xavier before conference play started!! They do not have a TOP 50 RPI win at all! They don't have a really bad loss - but who did they beat? Loyola Marymount can claim 5 Top 50 RPI wins - and Santa Clara can claim four. Santa Clara beat RPI #13, 25, 37, 40. Loyola Marymount beat #31, 36, 37, 45 (twice). Clemson has an RPI of 57. LMU and Santa Clara are both above by a healthy amount at 48 and 45 respectively. The fact is Clemson is ranked lower in Pablo and RPI and their victories are not as impressive as LMU and Santa Clara. I hope the committee at least rewards LMU or Santa Clara with a bid. They really deserve it just based on their resume. I don't care how many teams are in from that conference. Missouri has a better chance than Clemson. But I still don't think that they earn a bid over LMU and Santa Clara. The Tigers are sitting on ONE top 50 RPI win - that's against Tennessee (RPI#15). Their next best victory is over RPI 60 Auburn. Santa Clara beat RPI #13 (better than Tennessee), and has 4 total top 50 RPI victories compared to Missouri's one. LMU again has 5. Missouri is ranked barely below LMU & Santa Clara in RPI at 50, and is ranked below LMU in Pablo, tied with Santa Clara in Pablo. I think the committee might agree with you - but the resume's speak for themselves. As for Baylor - if they take care of things tonight against Texas Tech and SMU I think they may squeak in - but no guarantees. Still bubble. That Kansas victory is really good. My beef with NC State is that again, they only have 1 TOP 50 RPI Victory. Besides their win against North Carolina, they beat Clemson who is 57 RPI. They lost in 5 sets to North Carolina this week. Their lost to RPI 153 Wake Forest doesn't look good either. I do however think NC State will make it in, really because of their 42 RPI. I'll do a final bracketology on Saturday. I agree Clemson is a no go. I don't think Missouri gets in either. 1 good win. Auburn and Northwestern are going backwards. Baylor might just get in with a #6 win and #33 win and 21 total wins w/ a win over SMU on Friday. Still can't believe Illinois is sub .500 |
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Post by trojansc on Nov 22, 2012 2:33:57 GMT -5
I agree Clemson is a no go. I don't think Missouri gets in either. 1 good win. Auburn and Northwestern are going backwards. Baylor might just get in with a #6 win and #33 win and 21 total wins w/ a win over SMU on Friday. Still can't believe Illinois is sub .500 If Auburn gets in the tournament over any of the bubble teams I have listed from the Pac-12, MVC, WCC, or San Diego State.. it will definitely be a tragedy. Auburn beat nobody except Arkansas (in 5 at home), and did lose to Wichita State. Northwestern may squeak in but they just lost to Illinois and will probably lose to Nebraska. That's going 1-7 in their last 8 games, and 5-15 over their last 20 games. I'd much rather see the other bubble teams in before them, and definitely Baylor/NC State and the teams I mentioned above before Northwestern. |
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Post by capita'L'ove on Nov 22, 2012 7:10:48 GMT -5
'trojansc', A: "The WCC"...too many bids. Pepperdine will be the final team in with BYU, San Diego and St. Mary's. The ACC, SEC, and Big12 are all under represented... NC State is in (I think regardless) along with one other team in Clemson. Missouri Baylor *All in* I really hope the NCAA committee does NOT agree with you on Clemson or Missouri. Baylor & NC State have a case - but here are the facts on both Tigers teams. Clemson does not belong in the tournament!! Their most impressive win is RPI 53 Xavier before conference play started!! They do not have a TOP 50 RPI win at all! They don't have a really bad loss - but who did they beat? Loyola Marymount can claim 5 Top 50 RPI wins - and Santa Clara can claim four. Santa Clara beat RPI #13, 25, 37, 40. Loyola Marymount beat #31, 36, 37, 45 (twice). Clemson has an RPI of 57. LMU and Santa Clara are both above by a healthy amount at 48 and 45 respectively. The fact is Clemson is ranked lower in Pablo and RPI and their victories are not as impressive as LMU and Santa Clara. I hope the committee at least rewards LMU or Santa Clara with a bid. They really deserve it just based on their resume. I don't care how many teams are in from that conference. Missouri has a better chance than Clemson. But I still don't think that they earn a bid over LMU and Santa Clara. The Tigers are sitting on ONE top 50 RPI win - that's against Tennessee (RPI#15). Their next best victory is over RPI 60 Auburn. Santa Clara beat RPI #13 (better than Tennessee), and has 4 total top 50 RPI victories compared to Missouri's one. LMU again has 5. Missouri is ranked barely below LMU & Santa Clara in RPI at 50, and is ranked below LMU in Pablo, tied with Santa Clara in Pablo. I think the committee might agree with you - but the resume's speak for themselves. As for Baylor - if they take care of things tonight against Texas Tech and SMU I think they may squeak in - but no guarantees. Still bubble. That Kansas victory is really good. My beef with NC State is that again, they only have 1 TOP 50 RPI Victory. Besides their win against North Carolina, they beat Clemson who is 57 RPI. They lost in 5 sets to North Carolina this week. Their lost to RPI 153 Wake Forest doesn't look good either. I do however think NC State will make it in, really because of their 42 RPI. I'll do a final bracketology on Saturday. __ ___ ,-' '-.-' '-. _______,-' '-.____ '-. | '-. \ / `-._ |_____| / | \ /| | / _|__'|_|____| /| | | |___________| ______ | | `-._______'---------' (My attempt at a Fist Bump)  |
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Post by jayj79 on Nov 22, 2012 9:20:32 GMT -5
I'd rather see a 2nd or 3rd team from a mid-major get in over a 7th or 8th team from a "power conference", if their resumes are similar that is.
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Post by elevationvb on Nov 23, 2012 0:43:16 GMT -5
'trojansc', A: "The WCC"...too many bids. Pepperdine will be the final team in with BYU, San Diego and St. Mary's. The ACC, SEC, and Big12 are all under represented... NC State is in (I think regardless) along with one other team in Clemson. Missouri Baylor *All in* I really hope the NCAA committee does NOT agree with you on Clemson or Missouri. Baylor & NC State have a case - but here are the facts on both Tigers teams. Clemson does not belong in the tournament!! Their most impressive win is RPI 53 Xavier before conference play started!! They do not have a TOP 50 RPI win at all! They don't have a really bad loss - but who did they beat? Loyola Marymount can claim 5 Top 50 RPI wins - and Santa Clara can claim four. Santa Clara beat RPI #13, 25, 37, 40. Loyola Marymount beat #31, 36, 37, 45 (twice). Clemson has an RPI of 57. LMU and Santa Clara are both above by a healthy amount at 48 and 45 respectively. The fact is Clemson is ranked lower in Pablo and RPI and their victories are not as impressive as LMU and Santa Clara. I hope the committee at least rewards LMU or Santa Clara with a bid. They really deserve it just based on their resume. I don't care how many teams are in from that conference. Missouri has a better chance than Clemson. But I still don't think that they earn a bid over LMU and Santa Clara. The Tigers are sitting on ONE top 50 RPI win - that's against Tennessee (RPI#15). Their next best victory is over RPI 60 Auburn. Santa Clara beat RPI #13 (better than Tennessee), and has 4 total top 50 RPI victories compared to Missouri's one. LMU again has 5. Missouri is ranked barely below LMU & Santa Clara in RPI at 50, and is ranked below LMU in Pablo, tied with Santa Clara in Pablo. I think the committee might agree with you - but the resume's speak for themselves. As for Baylor - if they take care of things tonight against Texas Tech and SMU I think they may squeak in - but no guarantees. Still bubble. That Kansas victory is really good. My beef with NC State is that again, they only have 1 TOP 50 RPI Victory. Besides their win against North Carolina, they beat Clemson who is 57 RPI. They lost in 5 sets to North Carolina this week. Their lost to RPI 153 Wake Forest doesn't look good either. I do however think NC State will make it in, really because of their 42 RPI. I'll do a final bracketology on Saturday. Baylor is not a tournament team. They were swept by North Texas. I believe all their conference wins but one are against bad teams. If they have to beat a poor SMU team to get into the tournament, something is wrong. SMU's rpi has to be pretty bad. |
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Post by upyours on Nov 23, 2012 0:58:09 GMT -5
Baylor has a shot. I like their wins over those right on the bubble. Beating #6 and #33 is better than some in the 40's who have only beat 1 or 2 teams in the 40-55 range. It will be interesting to see how Sunday goes.
We might have a 1st time winner of the tournament this year with all the parity.
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Post by Babar on Nov 23, 2012 1:28:58 GMT -5
Baylor has a shot. I like their wins over those right on the bubble. Beating #6 and #33 is better than some in the 40's who have only beat 1 or 2 teams in the 40-55 range. It will be interesting to see how Sunday goes. We might have a 1st time winner of the tournament this year with all the parity. And who would that first time winner be? |
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Post by stpaulvolleyball on Nov 23, 2012 10:52:18 GMT -5
Baylor has a shot. I like their wins over those right on the bubble. Beating #6 and #33 is better than some in the 40's who have only beat 1 or 2 teams in the 40-55 range. It will be interesting to see how Sunday goes. We might have a 1st time winner of the tournament this year with all the parity. And who would that first time winner be? Minnesota, Oregon, and Florida are the best teams this year that haven't won it all before. I wouldn't bet on any of them over Stanford and Penn State. |
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Post by gogophers on Nov 23, 2012 15:41:46 GMT -5
I'd love for Texas to play Minnesota and Kansas again! I think Minnesota would beat Kansas. As for Texas, it would still be really hard, but you could see where I might like MNs chances better than against Penn State, who had dominated us this season? That Penn State game would be an automatic season ended where as the Texas Minnesota matchup could possibly go 5 sets. It's fun playing matchmaker and making predictions but we all know that some seeds won't make it to the regionals. So much depends on whether in the second round you get to play a team that just missed a seed, or one that is in the back end of the surviving 32, or maybe even one that pulled an upset when it probably isn't even one of the top 32 teams. If ISU doesn't get a seed--and it doesn't look like it will--I expect it to be Minn's second round match because of the travel restrictions. I'd favor Minn at home, where it has lost but once this year, but things have not worked out for Minn that last two times those two teams met in the tournament in Minneapolis. ISU will somebody's very tough second round match-up. I hope it will be someone else's. |
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Post by ugopher on Nov 23, 2012 15:57:21 GMT -5
Depends on whether or not the committee feels that Nebraska is a legitimate #5 seed or if they place them at that seed so they will be in the Omaha bracket.
If they feel that Nebraska is seeded too high, I could see ISU going to Nebraska vs. MN where they have more control to where they place MN.
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Post by volleyhead on Nov 23, 2012 16:04:30 GMT -5
2 teams within 400 miles that the committee does not want to see at Nebraska are Iowa State and K-State. It's almost guaranteed that Kansas if they advance out of their hosting subregional will face Nebraska in Omaha. I agree that I see ISU being sent to Minnesota and playing a relatively easy opponent in the 1st round and Minn in 2nd round to advance to the Purdue Regional.
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Post by gus on Nov 23, 2012 16:32:20 GMT -5
During the Ark-LSU match broadcast Wed night, they interviewed the chair of the selection committee. She listed the following criteria they will be using to select at large teams:
-Overall W-L records
-RPI
-Overall strength of schedule
-Head to Head competition, or common opponents
-Last 10 matches, how teams are closing
I know many on here seem to focus on good wins and bad losses, but she didn't mention it. I would assume that is covered in the RPI anyway, and for that reason bad losses seem to matter as much as good wins. Anyway, the RPI's will change this week as some teams in the 40's and 50's will certainly move based on this weeks results. Until the final RPI's are known many of these teams have a good chance- it sure seems like RPI is big based on last few years.
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