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Post by ay2013 on Apr 5, 2020 0:06:51 GMT -5
. I realize that you groupies often have your heads buried up these players back sides so far that you probably can’t breathe, but I think it’s probably wise to let these players prove themselves on a college court Before everyone starts gushing.That seems sensible to me. I usually keep my opinions to myself about who I think will be great after I see them play a college game or two but Orr will likely a top 3 setter in the country her redshirt freshman year (if she was to redshirt). The expectations are just so high. Especially for setters. Hames got every accolade and recognition as THE top setter in what was supposed to be a really good setting class. Fast forward a couple years in college and it seems like even Husker fans are ready to get rid of her.
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Post by holidayhusker on Apr 5, 2020 5:05:45 GMT -5
. I hear you but Carlini had talent around her, it just never materialized into a winning machine. I get amused with the hero worship that Carlini enjoyed. I don’t think it’s good for Kennedi Orr to have those same obsessive expectations. It's also not good for Hunter's legacy for you to attempt to rewrite the narrative surrounding Carlini/Hunter to paint Hunter in a better light. Your incorrect opinions are an embarrassment for her. Each success they had speaks for itself. I realize that not hero worshiping Carlini sends you into a hissy.
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Post by vbstan123 on Apr 5, 2020 5:52:04 GMT -5
I usually keep my opinions to myself about who I think will be great after I see them play a college game or two but Orr will likely a top 3 setter in the country her redshirt freshman year (if she was to redshirt). The expectations are just so high. Especially for setters. Hames got every accolade and recognition as THE top setter in what was supposed to be a really good setting class. Fast forward a couple years in college and it seems like even Husker fans are ready to get rid of her. Good point but I think theres a difference between Hames and Orr hype. I didn't watch much of prep level Hames when she was in high school at the time so I didn't really have a strong opinion when she was coming in, but since then have watched a lot of her 18's year matches as they are on youtube. In my opinion sophomore year of high school Orr is better than senior year of high school Hames. Im not referring to the accolades but having watched Orr many times she is just special.
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Post by oldmanred on Apr 5, 2020 15:53:36 GMT -5
I usually keep my opinions to myself about who I think will be great after I see them play a college game or two but Orr will likely a top 3 setter in the country her redshirt freshman year (if she was to redshirt). The expectations are just so high. Especially for setters. Hames got every accolade and recognition as THE top setter in what was supposed to be a really good setting class. Fast forward a couple years in college and it seems like even Husker fans are ready to get rid of her. Hames is a keeper; you don't toss away what works good! GO HUSKERS
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Post by holidayhusker on Apr 5, 2020 20:03:09 GMT -5
The expectations are just so high. Especially for setters. Hames got every accolade and recognition as THE top setter in what was supposed to be a really good setting class. Fast forward a couple years in college and it seems like even Husker fans are ready to get rid of her. Hames is a keeper; you don't toss away what works good! GO HUSKERS agree...I get very tired of fickle fans who appreciate nothing but a Nattie.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 20:14:30 GMT -5
The expectations are just so high. Especially for setters. Hames got every accolade and recognition as THE top setter in what was supposed to be a really good setting class. Fast forward a couple years in college and it seems like even Husker fans are ready to get rid of her. Hames is a keeper; you don't toss away what works good! GO HUSKERS The fans that criticise Hames most harshly don't appreciate just how bad the passing was this year.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Apr 11, 2020 21:08:31 GMT -5
Hames is a keeper; you don't toss away what works good! GO HUSKERS The fans that criticise Hames most harshly don't appreciate just how bad the passing was this year. Or what a great leader and competitor she is.
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Post by lvcalum on Apr 12, 2020 9:19:18 GMT -5
Hames is a keeper; you don't toss away what works good! GO HUSKERS The fans that criticise Hames most harshly don't appreciate just how bad the passing was this year. How about both? The passing was dismal and Hames wasn’t very good.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2020 10:02:14 GMT -5
The fans that criticise Hames most harshly don't appreciate just how bad the passing was this year. How about both? The passing was dismal and Hames wasn’t very good. Given how much one impacts the other, do you think the former might have had a causal relationship with the latter?
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Post by lvcalum on Apr 12, 2020 10:47:34 GMT -5
How about both? The passing was dismal and Hames wasn’t very good. Given how much one impacts the other, do you think the former might have had a causal relationship with the latter? Certainly. However, I can’t imagine that an elite level setter (e.g. Poulter, Hilley, Gray or Hunter) wouldn’t have had better results even with the marginal passing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2020 10:56:39 GMT -5
Given how much one impacts the other, do you think the former might have had a causal relationship with the latter? Certainly. However, I can’t imagine that an elite level setter (e.g. Poulter, Hilley, Gray or Hunter) wouldn’t have had better results even with the marginal passing. Define marginal. Give me a numerical grade of how bad you think the Husker passing was last year. I'll give you some context; in 2016 Big Red recorded a team grade of 2.33, in 2017 they had exactly the same 2.33. In 2018 they managed 2.19. What do you think they scored in 2019? Fwiw; I'm not sharing this info exclusively to defend Hames but I think it's helpful to consider all of the data when evaluating players. Unless you know the passing grade it's impossible to evaluate Hames' performance.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Apr 12, 2020 11:45:24 GMT -5
The fans that criticise Hames most harshly don't appreciate just how bad the passing was this year. How about both? The passing was dismal and Hames wasn’t very good. Certainly everyone is entitled to their opinion. Having said that, it was the opinion of the big ten coaches (a pretty knowledgeable bunch) that she was a first team all Big 10 level player. When was the last time a player who “wasn’t very good” was recognized in that way by the best coaches in the country?
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Post by scot19 on Apr 12, 2020 11:47:36 GMT -5
The fans that criticise Hames most harshly don't appreciate just how bad the passing was this year. Or what a great leader and competitor she is. She is one of the best bump setters in the country and arguably one the best defense setters we've had. The number and quality of digs she has posted is astounding. I don't have access to stats to back up this claim, but she appears to me the best passer on the team.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2020 11:51:07 GMT -5
How about both? The passing was dismal and Hames wasn’t very good. Certainly everyone is entitled to their opinion. Having said that, it was the opinion of the big ten coaches (a pretty knowledgeable bunch) that she was a first team all Big 10 level player. When was the last time a player who “wasn’t very good” was recognized in that way by the best coaches in the country? I mean, I could name an obvious example on that very same first team all B10 list but a certain fan base might start crying again.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Apr 12, 2020 13:27:31 GMT -5
Certainly everyone is entitled to their opinion. Having said that, it was the opinion of the big ten coaches (a pretty knowledgeable bunch) that she was a first team all Big 10 level player. When was the last time a player who “wasn’t very good” was recognized in that way by the best coaches in the country? I mean, I could name an obvious example on that very same first team all B10 list but a certain fan base might start crying again. All depends on how you define “ not very good” but I’d bet anything if the player you are suggesting hit the transfer portal, coaches would be all over it.
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