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Post by tree on Sept 4, 2014 10:07:03 GMT -5
Funny how a discussion about Whitney and Rachel turned into a April and Misty one. @ vbjim I do not think anybody thinks Kerri/Misty would cream Kerri/April. That would be insulting to a great player like April is.
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Post by volleyballjim on Sept 4, 2014 12:02:04 GMT -5
tree...Well, if that's not the case, then its a 21-18/19 game and thus "anybody's game", IMO . . . I just don't think people understand what Kerri brings to the table and what April has added in a VERY short time. If passing is "the game", the best server in the game is a quantifiable utility...
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Post by guest2 on Sept 4, 2014 13:03:28 GMT -5
Funny how a discussion about Whitney and Rachel turned into a April and Misty one. @ vbjim I do not think anybody thinks Kerri/Misty would cream Kerri/April. That would be insulting to a great player like April is. Its not insulting to April, its a recognition of the differences in the teams. Ill give you and example. 1990 Smith/Stoklos would murder 1994 Stoklos/Johnson. Sinjin was better than AJ, but not by that much (I think AJ won 50 or so in his own right). But combine the teamwork of S/S, the difference in 1990 Randy and 1994 Randy and you get a massacre. There are tons of examples of this. Take Phil/Todd at their peak. Then take Sean/Phil this year. Phil/Todd are a much better team but Sean is not that much worse than Todd was. You add chemistry, Phil having fallen off some, etc. In other words, its not a knock on April to say she and Kerri arent the team Misty/Kerri were. 28 is better than 36, five years of teamwork is better than 8 months, Kerri on the left is better than Kerri on the right. Just for reference, from 2005-2008 (four years) Misty/Kerri's lowest FIVB finish was 5th. It happened once. In four years they finished lower than third one time. This year alone Kerri/April have 3 9ths in the space of four tournaments. Are they the best team in the world? Yes. Are they somewhat dominant? yes. Are they close to what Misty/Kerri were. No they arent. Thats not a knock on anyone, its just the truth
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Post by tree on Sept 4, 2014 16:16:56 GMT -5
I did not say Kerri/Misty was not better. I just said Kerri/April would not lose all the time 21-14. I think MayWalsh was the best women team ever.They just did too many things that will never be matched in my opinion.
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Post by volleyballjim on Sept 4, 2014 22:37:02 GMT -5
Well, the most recent data on this subject is London 2012 and Misty/Kerri beat them (Krossy) 21-16 in both games, winning the Gold at 2-0. Can't recall the differential in play (Jen playing better/worse than normal and April (same scenario)...BUT, April MAKES IT to the gold medal match with Jen (pretty unarguably the lesser of the pair) and lose by 5. Replace Jen with Kerri and and redo that obviously impossible matchup and I don't buy a similar or even same result (score nor win). Possibly, Kerri/April would have fared MUCH better...Hypothetical, but there is some real data there with 3 of the discussed participants there in that game in London...Did I beat this dead horse enough ; - )
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Post by JB Southpaw on Sept 5, 2014 7:31:22 GMT -5
Jim, you keep wanting to compare MM in 2012, when she was clearly not at her peak (and neither was Kerri at that Olympics), to April who was and still is in her peak. You'd have to go back to 2008 to see Misty playing at her last "best years".
Also, the Jen vs. April, who was better is not cut in stone. Jen was doing a ton of things better than April.
If you can go back and look at that team. You know what Misty is the best at probably all time? Transition scoring. She could terminate from anywhere on the court back then.
Also, to me Misty did the same for Kerri, that Todd did for Phil.
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Post by guest2 on Sept 5, 2014 9:44:56 GMT -5
Have to disagree on Jen v April. Jen is a sweetheart and was an excellent player but April is and was a legit contender for best player in the world, or at least top 5
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Post by camkerr on Sept 6, 2014 9:22:25 GMT -5
I believe that in the continental cup format, it is actually a best of 3 or 5 format (depending on which "phase") where countries go head to head with two teams per country competing. A "golden match" is played if it is tied after 2 (or 4) matches. You're right. Two teams per gender compete as a nation against two other teams. You will need to win 3 of 5 matches with the 5th being a golden match. That is the structured part. The unstructured part comes after you win. When you win the Continental Cup, you win one berth for your federation, and it's completely up to your federation on who to give it to. For 2012, we held a trials event, where the teams that competed in the Continental Cup would play each other in one match to see who would go to the Olympics. Volleyball Canada just as easily could have picked one team and sent them without playing a trials. They also could've picked a 3rd team that didn't compete in the NORCECA event (maybe they finished higher on the FIVB tour that year, but were injured during the Continental Cup, for example) It's completely up to the federation.
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Post by volleyballjim on Sept 7, 2014 2:14:39 GMT -5
The Quarter Finals of this weekend AVP Women's DOES NOT contain a player on a team that is under 6'...Interesting...I WOULD add that to my equation on our previous "topic" . . . I do NOT think that is coincidental . . .
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Post by klazk on Sept 7, 2014 7:26:33 GMT -5
The Quarter Finals of this weekend AVP Women's DOES NOT contain a player on a team that is under 6'...Interesting...I WOULD add that to my equation on our previous "topic" . . . I do NOT think that is coincidental . . . 1) This is false. Branagan Fuller is 5' 10" 2) The FINALS of every women's AVP this year has included a player that is listed at 5' 8" (and I think is actually shorter than that). The only reason she isn't in this weeks' quarter finals is because of injury.
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Post by volleyballjim on Sept 7, 2014 11:31:34 GMT -5
my BAD klazk; I guess I forgot to click on her after checking Dowdy...NOT done to misreprsent, just careless on my part. STILL not a very compelling error, IMHO . . . Point was to frame the difference in overally height of the top tier players. . .
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