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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2014 18:01:28 GMT -5
Good lord. Just move on and let her have her glory. What's done, is done. Come on now, when you have people posting that she's going to be the best libero the game as ever seen next year, how do you expect people to react? Comments like those are no less distracting as those who question her getting the award in the first place. I know you aren't a fan of hers and that's ok....It's just turned into a Strickland bashing thread. I'm just as surprised as anyone else that she rec'd the award but I'm not going to bash her for it. The coaches voted for her and she deserves to enjoy her award like anyone else.
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Post by volleyfan24 on Dec 3, 2014 18:21:45 GMT -5
The fact that Jim trusts his players to serve tough is nice but there is no arguing Cassie isn't a good server. Over the course of this season she has successfully managed to score more points for her opponents than for her team. From your double-negative, I assume you're arguing that Strickland is not a good server simply because she had more service errors than aces. That is a fundamental misunderstanding on your part. I'm through trying to correct it, since it is like trying to talk to a blank wall. Just for the record, I would not have been surprised if Gilbert or Benson had been named LOY, nor would I have claimed that either were undeserving. I acknowledge there are good arguments that can be made for each. All I've said is that there are also good arguments for Strickland, which were apparently sufficient to convince at least a plurality of the coaches (assuming that LOY was simply the libero who got the most votes). And, yes, head-to-head might have turned enough votes from Gilbert to Strickland to make the difference, as well as from Lowe or Ajanaku to Vansant in the POY vote. Don't be such a blind homer. Let me clear something up I like Strickland I think she is a fierce competitor. Do I think she was a good choice for Libero of the year sure, she is good do I think she was the best choice no. I do feel Gilbert/Benson are better. I think that this award is a conference award not a single match award so head to head shouldn't be considered but it was the award was given to Cassie and I am very impressed with the way as stepped in for Orlandini after not having played the position before. Its awesome and maybe that played a factor in the way coaches voted as they thought wow this young woman stepped into a tough position and made improvements over the season to be one of the better liberos in the conference. Now back to the argument over whether Cassie is a good server. She is not her serve percentage says this .760 is simply just not a good serving percentage. Sure she leads her team in aces but she also leads her team in errors and more than doubles her ace count in errors. I know the fundamentals of volleyball. So lets just say for arguments sake for every ace Cassie scores is equal to an error 44 aces less the 44 errors she made on the 98 for the season thus far. That leaves her plus 54 in error count. That means 54 times she served it out or into the net resulting in a point for the other team. Now I understand a tough server like Cassie may not always get an ace and can serve it in but can get points for her team by getting the opposing team out of system. Whether this be by forcing the other team into an overpass, freeball, bad set or whatever it maybe to lead to a point for her team. You mean to tell me you believe that Cassie did this 54 more times this season to break even in her errors to aces count not even exceed but break even. I will tell you, you are wrong I have watched a lot of Washington volleyball this season starting early season the Gonzaga match was the first I saw but I don't think this is true there were not 54 more times this season Cassie served that lead to out of system points for her team and even if there were that would just make her a good server she would be breaking even not being a great server. Now is talking to you like talking to a blank wall I don't know if you can somehow explain to me how she is a good or even great server for her team feel free to rebuttal. Some people think serving is how well you can score points from the back line can Cassie do this yes but that doesn't mean she is good, no a good server is measured by how effective your serve is hers simply isn't effective enough the errors show this. I will say I think Jim gives Cassie the freedom to serve away because she is surrounded by great servers so they can risk letting Cassie get the amount of errors she does cause her teammates can make up for this, when her serve is on it can change a match but more often than not it is off.
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Post by playingwithfire on Dec 3, 2014 18:29:44 GMT -5
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Post by naujack26 on Dec 3, 2014 18:50:43 GMT -5
Congratulations to all the Pac-12 honorees! Well-deserved honors for all of their hard work and amazing efforts throughout the season. Speaking of Amazing Miss Cassie Strickland, here is a photo from the Huskies' website, taken during UW's upset of Stanford at Alaska Airlines Arena, that pretty much sums it up, regarding her amazing efforts and abilities: www.huskiesnewera.com/down-goes-no-1#view:1v431z05dzvkj4i58vypxme025ljtt9274rhView AttachmentAgain, congrats to all! Yep, lots of athleticism and flair, poor form. That pretty much sums it up.
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Post by vllybll09 on Dec 3, 2014 19:36:36 GMT -5
This thread is turning into a Strickland family reunion... Anyone who has any knowledge of the Strickland family would know that this is laughable. I am willing to bet that she receives more constructive criticism than overly gushing compliments from them. Perhaps there are just those who felt the need to explain that wht she brigs to the court is more than something to be measured by stats and numbers. Either way, she got the award and has a full season next year and the rest of this post season to prove what her value truly is. Go Huskies
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Post by vllybll09 on Dec 3, 2014 19:38:05 GMT -5
Congratulations to all the Pac-12 honorees! Well-deserved honors for all of their hard work and amazing efforts throughout the season. Speaking of Amazing Miss Cassie Strickland, here is a photo from the Huskies' website, taken during UW's upset of Stanford at Alaska Airlines Arena, that pretty much sums it up, regarding her amazing efforts and abilities: www.huskiesnewera.com/down-goes-no-1#view:1v431z05dzvkj4i58vypxme025ljtt9274rhView AttachmentAgain, congrats to all! Yep, lots of athleticism and flair, poor form. That pretty much sums it up. What exactly would be the correct form for diving to save a ball that is six feet in front of you? Haha, give it a rest
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Post by Sbilo on Dec 3, 2014 21:32:21 GMT -5
Fans won't complain if it wasn't a dubious choice. The thing is, Ms. Strickland is not THE BEST Libero this conference in the Pac 12. No way she deserves the award ahead of Benson or Gilbert. One match vs Stanford doesn't define her performance of the whole season. Even Whittingham of USC is a slightly better libero than her.
But it has been decided, so yeah, better luck next time to Benson and Whittingham.
Congrats to Vansant, Bugg and Liskeyvich. Well-deserved.
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Post by courtside on Dec 3, 2014 21:47:44 GMT -5
Fans won't complain if it wasn't a dubious choice. The thing is, Ms. Strickland is not THE BEST Libero this conference in the Pac 12. No way she deserves the award ahead of Benson or Gilbert. One match vs Stanford doesn't define her performance of the whole season. Even Whittingham of USC is a slightly better libero than her. But it has been decided, so yeah, better luck next time to Benson and Whittingham. Congrats to Vansant, Bugg and Liskeyvich. Well-deserved. Well said.
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Post by dawgnerd on Dec 3, 2014 21:57:38 GMT -5
Something that I liked about the all Pac12 team was that it looked more like what a coach might select to form their best full team for an all star game than a list of MVPs. Many of the prediction lists that I saw were more dominated by kill leaders than by a mix of all of the parts it takes to have a winning team. Two setters and three middles is at least survivable if you are running a 5-1. (though the lack of a libero has me picturing Inky,Mercedes or Liana passing and defending.)
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Post by timduckforlife on Dec 3, 2014 22:36:52 GMT -5
From your double-negative, I assume you're arguing that Strickland is not a good server simply because she had more service errors than aces. That is a fundamental misunderstanding on your part. I'm through trying to correct it, since it is like trying to talk to a blank wall. Just for the record, I would not have been surprised if Gilbert or Benson had been named LOY, nor would I have claimed that either were undeserving. I acknowledge there are good arguments that can be made for each. All I've said is that there are also good arguments for Strickland, which were apparently sufficient to convince at least a plurality of the coaches (assuming that LOY was simply the libero who got the most votes). And, yes, head-to-head might have turned enough votes from Gilbert to Strickland to make the difference, as well as from Lowe or Ajanaku to Vansant in the POY vote. Don't be such a blind homer. Let me clear something up I like Strickland I think she is a fierce competitor. Do I think she was a good choice for Libero of the year sure, she is good do I think she was the best choice no. I do feel Gilbert/Benson are better. I think that this award is a conference award not a single match award so head to head shouldn't be considered but it was the award was given to Cassie and I am very impressed with the way as stepped in for Orlandini after not having played the position before. Its awesome and maybe that played a factor in the way coaches voted as they thought wow this young woman stepped into a tough position and made improvements over the season to be one of the better liberos in the conference. Now back to the argument over whether Cassie is a good server. She is not her serve percentage says this .760 is simply just not a good serving percentage. Sure she leads her team in aces but she also leads her team in errors and more than doubles her ace count in errors. I know the fundamentals of volleyball. So lets just say for arguments sake for every ace Cassie scores is equal to an error 44 aces less the 44 errors she made on the 98 for the season thus far. That leaves her plus 54 in error count. That means 54 times she served it out or into the net resulting in a point for the other team. Now I understand a tough server like Cassie may not always get an ace and can serve it in but can get points for her team by getting the opposing team out of system. Whether this be by forcing the other team into an overpass, freeball, bad set or whatever it maybe to lead to a point for her team. You mean to tell me you believe that Cassie did this 54 more times this season to break even in her errors to aces count not even exceed but break even. I will tell you, you are wrong I have watched a lot of Washington volleyball this season starting early season the Gonzaga match was the first I saw but I don't think this is true there were not 54 more times this season Cassie served that lead to out of system points for her team and even if there were that would just make her a good server she would be breaking even not being a great server. Now is talking to you like talking to a blank wall I don't know if you can somehow explain to me how she is a good or even great server for her team feel free to rebuttal. Some people think serving is how well you can score points from the back line can Cassie do this yes but that doesn't mean she is good, no a good server is measured by how effective your serve is hers simply isn't effective enough the errors show this. I will say I think Jim gives Cassie the freedom to serve away because she is surrounded by great servers so they can risk letting Cassie get the amount of errors she does cause her teammates can make up for this, when her serve is on it can change a match but more often than not it is off. I think regardless of service percentage, and I can't find any stats on it, but the key to whether or not someone is a good server i think depends on 2 factors, how many times you serve when you go to the line, and how well your serves get the other team out of system. So realistically, service percentage is good, but if you are just serving ducks and the other team sides out almost every time, you really aren't doing your team any favors. So does anyone have any stats on that for Strickland? Going to the huskie webiste doesn't list that
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 3, 2014 22:38:11 GMT -5
Don't be such a blind homer. Let me clear something up I like Strickland I think she is a fierce competitor. Do I think she was a good choice for Libero of the year sure, she is good do I think she was the best choice no. I do feel Gilbert/Benson are better. I think that this award is a conference award not a single match award so head to head shouldn't be considered but it was the award was given to Cassie and I am very impressed with the way as stepped in for Orlandini after not having played the position before. Its awesome and maybe that played a factor in the way coaches voted as they thought wow this young woman stepped into a tough position and made improvements over the season to be one of the better liberos in the conference. Now back to the argument over whether Cassie is a good server. She is not her serve percentage says this .760 is simply just not a good serving percentage. Sure she leads her team in aces but she also leads her team in errors and more than doubles her ace count in errors. I know the fundamentals of volleyball. So lets just say for arguments sake for every ace Cassie scores is equal to an error 44 aces less the 44 errors she made on the 98 for the season thus far. That leaves her plus 54 in error count. That means 54 times she served it out or into the net resulting in a point for the other team. Now I understand a tough server like Cassie may not always get an ace and can serve it in but can get points for her team by getting the opposing team out of system. Whether this be by forcing the other team into an overpass, freeball, bad set or whatever it maybe to lead to a point for her team. You mean to tell me you believe that Cassie did this 54 more times this season to break even in her errors to aces count not even exceed but break even. I will tell you, you are wrong I have watched a lot of Washington volleyball this season starting early season the Gonzaga match was the first I saw but I don't think this is true there were not 54 more times this season Cassie served that lead to out of system points for her team and even if there were that would just make her a good server she would be breaking even not being a great server. Now is talking to you like talking to a blank wall I don't know if you can somehow explain to me how she is a good or even great server for her team feel free to rebuttal. Some people think serving is how well you can score points from the back line can Cassie do this yes but that doesn't mean she is good, no a good server is measured by how effective your serve is hers simply isn't effective enough the errors show this. I will say I think Jim gives Cassie the freedom to serve away because she is surrounded by great servers so they can risk letting Cassie get the amount of errors she does cause her teammates can make up for this, when her serve is on it can change a match but more often than not it is off. I think regardless of service percentage, and I can't find any stats on it, but the key to whether or not someone is a good server i think depends on 2 factors, how many times you serve when you go to the line, and how well your serves get the other team out of system. So realistically, service percentage is good, but if you are just serving ducks and the other team sides out almost every time, you really aren't doing your team any favors. So does anyone have any stats on that for Strickland? Going to the huskie webiste doesn't list that Dude, just check a couple pages up. (Page 6)
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Post by redbeard2008 on Dec 3, 2014 23:01:35 GMT -5
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 3, 2014 23:10:38 GMT -5
I hate watching previous seasons like that. Reminds me of how much I miss the players who are gone, and that reminds me of how much I will miss the current players when they leave.
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Post by wonderwarthog79 on Dec 4, 2014 0:11:52 GMT -5
I think I could put together a pretty good team from the HM's: Higgins, Boukather, Schonewise, Bateman or Wade, Nwanebu, and Benson. Maybe Gilbert for Higgins back row. I guess I'd have Nwanebu hit left side.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2014 0:14:39 GMT -5
I hate watching previous seasons like that. Reminds me of how much I miss the players who are gone, and that reminds me of how much I will miss the current players when they leave. Um, perhaps you should reread Sartre in such times of need.
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