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Post by tempesthorn on Jun 9, 2015 13:21:55 GMT -5
Ok, well perhaps we are discussing two different topics. I agree with your comments on the recruting being excellent over the years. And it will continue to be, because every volleyball playing girl in America wants to go to Penn State, Stanford, Texas or USC. Not a chance that any of these school's cupboards run bare any time soon. Agree that one day we will all look back with appreciation on these times. However, that doesn't mean that just because I'm a graduate of UT, that I have to blindly support every one of the coaching staffs decisions, or that I don't have the right to believe that they have underachieved with all of the talent they have had. It is an embarrassment of riches in every corner of the Texas athletic department, and the fact that the football team is mediocre and that the VB program isn't winning BIG matches that they should, is a shame. Saying so, as an orange blood, is ok. That's what they teach at that fine institution, critical thinking and expressing opinion. I do not expect all posters with a degree from their school to have blind support of their program. I do have high expectations of Texas fans and if you do have a degree from Texas you should be smart enough to recognize the difference between discussing recruiting decisions and the continual venom spewed about Collins' recruitment by devaluationvb. The fact you compare the fortunes of Texas' volleyball program to that of their football program in the same breath makes me realize I'm down another rabbit hole with another internet troll who thinks every opinion he posts is a magnus opus. If all you can see with the volleyball program is not winning big matches and what a shame it is and comparing that to the football program....seriously dude go find a new hobby. You will never be happy watching sports. And one more thing...as a fellow orange blood I'm embarrassed by you coming on here with the opening line "Are you serious? You think she's good???" She has her talents or she wouldn't be playing D1 ball. Her height is her height. I would respect posters a lot more if they'd talk vertical leap rather than someone's height. It is the equivalent of having the emotional maturity of coming on here saying "Her face is ugly and her butt is fat, she shouldn't be playing volleyball."
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Post by onfiya on Jun 9, 2015 13:32:12 GMT -5
And you are the reason, everyone hates Texas fans. Just go buy another t-shirt!
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Post by tempesthorn on Jun 9, 2015 13:38:39 GMT -5
And you are the reason, everyone hates Texas fans. Just go buy another t-shirt!
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Post by elevationvb on Jun 9, 2015 15:06:08 GMT -5
And you are the reason, everyone hates Texas fans. Just go buy another t-shirt! Here is what you have to understand about tempesthorn - - he runs a facebook texas volleyball fan site that is frequented by parents of the players, some players and some coaches. He thinks any kind of criticism of players or the programs - - like saying Collins has poor footwork -- to be offensive. In that way he is more like an a&m aggie than a longhorn.
Just look at his statement that he has "high expectations of Texas fans". Or he's "embarrassed" for you! What?? This is an indicator of a person who thinks running a fan site brings some kind of authority / moral high ground over Texas fans - specifically those who post on this message board. Of course he won't tolerate any kind of dissent on his fan site, but here, if you don't toe the line, you are a troll or another name.
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Post by bigfan on Jun 9, 2015 15:06:47 GMT -5
And you are the reason, everyone hates Texas fans. Just go buy another t-shirt! A voice of reason? WONDERFUL. Happy 1 year anniversary!
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Post by bigfan on Jun 9, 2015 15:10:59 GMT -5
........................just because I'm a graduate of UT, that I have to blindly support every one of the coaching staffs decisions, or that I don't have the right to believe that they have underachieved with all of the talent they have had. It is an embarrassment of riches in every corner of the Texas athletic department, and the fact that the football team is mediocre and that the VB program isn't winning BIG matches that they should, is a shame. You have just made this poster cry. A TRUE VOICE OF SANITY.
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Post by bigfan on Jun 9, 2015 15:13:44 GMT -5
The ironic thing about wahinefan44 making fun of Nebraska is Hawaii. If you want to find a cure for stupid, take a tissue sample from wahinefan44..... i get that your mad because Hawaii hasn't had it's own thread in this forum since the 90's but you're going to need to get over it. Carefull bball the Wahine contingent is powerful, knowledgeable, articulate and can dice.
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Post by bigfan on Jun 9, 2015 15:16:06 GMT -5
What?? This is an indicator of a person who thinks running a fan site brings some kind of authority / moral high ground over Texas fans - specifically those who post on this message board. Of course he won't tolerate any kind of dissent on his fan site, but here, if you don't toe the line, you are a troll or another name [/font]. [/quote] You mean here on this site the "HOLIER THAN THOU" mind set does not work? LOL!
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Post by elevationvb on Jun 9, 2015 15:16:14 GMT -5
If Dalton becomes healthy, does that make the 6-2 much more likely? Because I would love to see Ebony play as a 6 rotation opposite. If Dalton is healthy, Texas is running a 6-2 with her. Elliott has been clear that Collins is a 6-2 type setter for obvious reasons.
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Post by elevationvb on Jun 9, 2015 15:37:39 GMT -5
Yikes, I was only asking....ELEVATION, you seem pretty on point with the team...I've been away for a bit and didn't make any spring matches due to coaching around the country but how does this team look for 2015? I know others will be great, but from what I see and what I've heard from traveling around and talking to coaches etc Texas seems to be putting together a strong team this season...again. Just wondering how everyone thinks they will stack up against everyone else. We are hosting a regional this year and we know how to win in Nebraska, we've proved that over and over. It just seems like that monkey on our back now is the SEMI FINAL Monkey! Well at the risk of sounding tempestuous , all I offer is a personal opinion.
My knowledge of the team / program is not predicated on any insider information. Although I am friends with some folks in the LHF and athletic department, I do hear things from time to time.
Regarding Ebony Nwanebu - if she is as good as advertised and more importantly healthy, I am more optimistic for this season than I was a week ago. My feeling has been that the talent Elliott is bringing into the program in '15, '16 and beyond sets the stage for Texas getting over the "semi final monkey" hump in a major way and challenging & winning national championships.
My feeling is that some of key players Elliott is bringing into the program at the OH and setting position is an indicator that Elliott understands that there has been a "semi final monkey" the past two seasons and more importantly he understands the talent necessary to compete an win national championships.
We all love Amy Neal - in my opinion, the smartest volleyball player on the court for the team. We are going to continue to win many matches with her but we need better to win it all. I think Ebony Nwanebu could be that answer - - but she's going to have to take it away from Amy because Amy is coming to play. Just look at her serving during the spring matches. From December to April, she raised her level of serving tremendously.
I have similar feelings about Collins - very athletic, etc, but she is not a front row setter for a major program like Texas that wants to get past that "semi final monkey." Now if Dalton cannot play, it looks like Collins is our best hope and we need to hope and pray she does not get injured. That is the gamble Elliott is taking if Dalton does not recover at least to last seasons playing ability. I agree with what a poster posted previously - Elliott must be confident that Dalton will be healthy / ready for the season or he would have looked for another setter.
My general feeling for the '15 season is that with the youth of the incoming talented freshmen and not having the strongest setters and outside hitters, it will be a transition year to big things in '16 and beyond. But maybe, just maybe Ebony Nwanebu can help contribute to the team making it to the regionals in Austin. That would be nice.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Jun 9, 2015 15:41:49 GMT -5
The ironic thing about wahinefan44 making fun of Nebraska is Hawaii. If you want to find a cure for stupid, take a tissue sample from wahinefan44..... i get that your mad because Hawaii hasn't had it's own thread in this forum since the 90's but you're going to need to get over it. Two things. 1. Hawaii fans are some of the most active posters and we constantly have threads. 2. When did I ever say I had a problem with Nebraska........... Its you I have a problem with. You let your Nebraska Bias show, bash other programs, and young girls who decided to transfer or recommit and suddenly call them bad or bash them, simply because they felt that program wasnt right for them.
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Post by SportyBucky on Jun 9, 2015 15:46:43 GMT -5
Yikes, I was only asking....ELEVATION, you seem pretty on point with the team...I've been away for a bit and didn't make any spring matches due to coaching around the country but how does this team look for 2015? I know others will be great, but from what I see and what I've heard from traveling around and talking to coaches etc Texas seems to be putting together a strong team this season...again. Just wondering how everyone thinks they will stack up against everyone else. We are hosting a regional this year and we know how to win in Nebraska, we've proved that over and over. It just seems like that monkey on our back now is the SEMI FINAL Monkey! Well at the risk of sounding tempestuous , all I offer is a personal opinion.
My knowledge of the team / program is not predicated on any insider information. Although I am friends with some folks in the LHF and athletic department, I do hear things from time to time.
Regarding Ebony Nwanebu - if she is as good as advertised and more importantly healthy, I am more optimistic for this season than I was a week ago. My feeling has been that the talent Elliott is bringing into the program in '15, '16 and beyond sets the stage for Texas getting over the "semi final monkey" hump in a major way and challenging & winning national championships.
My feeling is that some of key players Elliott is bringing into the program at the OH and setting position is an indicator that Elliott understands that there has been a "semi final monkey" the past two seasons and more importantly he understands the talent necessary to compete an win national championships.
We all love Amy Neal - in my opinion, the smartest volleyball player on the court for the team. We are going to continue to win many matches with her but we need better to win it all. I think Ebony Nwanebu could be that answer - - but she's going to have to take it away from Amy because Amy is coming to play. Just look at her serving during the spring matches. From December to April, she raised her level of serving tremendously.
I have similar feelings about Collins - very athletic, etc, but she is not a front row setter for a major program like Texas that wants to get past that "semi final monkey." Now if Dalton cannot play, it looks like Collins is our best hope and we need to hope and pray she does not get injured. That is the gamble Elliott is taking if Dalton does not recover at least to last seasons playing ability. I agree with what a poster posted previously - Elliott must be confident that Dalton will be healthy / ready for the season or he would have looked for another setter.
My general feeling for the '15 season is that with the youth of the incoming talented freshmen and not having the strongest setters and outside hitters, it will be a transition year to big things in '16 and beyond. But maybe, just maybe Ebony Nwanebu can help contribute to the team making it to the regionals in Austin. That would be nice. Ebony is not the answer at OH. She hasn't played that the past two years or even in club. She is RS. She can change, but I don't see that as an upgrade over Amy's passing, and particularly defense, as Amy's passing is hit or miss. Ebony definitely starts, healthy or not, over Paulina, but can Paulina make the transition to OH. I think she's played RS because she isn't an huge upgrade over Amy. Thoughts?
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Post by tempesthorn on Jun 9, 2015 16:19:43 GMT -5
And you are the reason, everyone hates Texas fans. Just go buy another t-shirt! Here is what you have to understand about tempesthorn - - he runs a facebook texas volleyball fan site that is frequented by parents of the players, some players and some coaches. He thinks any kind of criticism of players or the programs - - like saying Collins has poor footwork -- to be offensive. In that way he is more like an a&m aggie than a longhorn.
Just look at his statement that he has "high expectations of Texas fans". Or he's "embarrassed" for you! What?? This is an indicator of a person who thinks running a fan site brings some kind of authority / moral high ground over Texas fans - specifically those who post on this message board. Of course he won't tolerate any kind of dissent on his fan site, but here, if you don't toe the line, you are a troll or another name. The same way I get riled up when the frat boys at Baylor who sit on the end line calling our girls names at their matches, I get riled up when someone unfairly criticizes our players on this board. Since people seem to have the right to post any biased thought towards a player they have and call it opinion, it would seem to me people can question and attack those posts as well. Why do you have such a problem with it being a two way street? I would hope all our true fans felt the same way as me about being positive towards our players and not tearing them down on an internet board. You attack me like there is something wrong with me being defensive about our players or being friends with player parents. I can't post objectively because of that fact according to you. Since it seems to be fair game to discuss my biases, please share yours with the board. You are a grown ass man posting negative post after negative post about college age girls for a team you claim loyalty towards. We both know why you're doing it. So come clean.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Jun 9, 2015 16:47:36 GMT -5
Here is what you have to understand about tempesthorn - - he runs a facebook texas volleyball fan site that is frequented by parents of the players, some players and some coaches. He thinks any kind of criticism of players or the programs - - like saying Collins has poor footwork -- to be offensive. In that way he is more like an a&m aggie than a longhorn.
Just look at his statement that he has "high expectations of Texas fans". Or he's "embarrassed" for you! What?? This is an indicator of a person who thinks running a fan site brings some kind of authority / moral high ground over Texas fans - specifically those who post on this message board. Of course he won't tolerate any kind of dissent on his fan site, but here, if you don't toe the line, you are a troll or another name. The same way I get riled up when the frat boys at Baylor who sit on the end line calling our girls names at their matches, I get riled up when someone unfairly criticizes our players on this board. Since people seem to have the right to post any biased thought towards a player they have and call it opinion, it would seem to me people can question and defend those posts as well. Why do you have such a problem with it being a two street? I would hope all our true fans felt the same way as me about being positive towards our players and not tearing them down on an internet board. You attack me like there is something wrong with me being defensive about our players or being friends with player parents. I can't post objectively because of that fact according to you. Since it seems to be fair game to discuss my biases, please share yours with the board. You are a grown ass man posting negative post after negative post about college age girls for a team you claim loyalty towards. We both know why you're doing it. So come clean. They are players at a major division 1 high profile program. There are tons of positives about being in that situation, but along with that is you work under a magnifying glass, you are going to be talked about and scrutinized. I have no problem with that as long as it pertains to volleyball and not them personally. I feel the same way about coaches. As long as it isn't personal, or dealing with their personal lives, and as long as it is fair, it is part of it for them. Being a fan doesnt mean you are relegated to only being able to applaud, or sing praises, you can also be critical and express disappointment, as long as it is fair, and isnt personal.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Jun 9, 2015 17:02:32 GMT -5
The same way I get riled up when the frat boys at Baylor who sit on the end line calling our girls names at their matches, I get riled up when someone unfairly criticizes our players on this board. Since people seem to have the right to post any biased thought towards a player they have and call it opinion, it would seem to me people can question and defend those posts as well. Why do you have such a problem with it being a two street? I would hope all our true fans felt the same way as me about being positive towards our players and not tearing them down on an internet board. You attack me like there is something wrong with me being defensive about our players or being friends with player parents. I can't post objectively because of that fact according to you. Since it seems to be fair game to discuss my biases, please share yours with the board. You are a grown ass man posting negative post after negative post about college age girls for a team you claim loyalty towards. We both know why you're doing it. So come clean. They are players at a major division 1 high profile program. There are tons of positives about being in that situation, but along with that is you work under a magnifying glass, you are going to be talked about and scrutinized. I have no problem with that as long as it pertains to volleyball and not them personally. I feel the same way about coaches. As long as it isn't personal, or dealing with their personal lives, and as long as it is fair, it is part of it for them. Being a fan doesnt mean you are relegated to only being able to applaud, or sing praises, you can also be critical and express disappointment, as long as it is fair, and isnt personal. Fully agree. SOMETIMES elevation can go to far, but from what I could see, HE NEVER attacks the players personally, just criticizes their skills and usually provides points to back it up ( don't always agree with it). SOME posters do go to far, but elevation isn't one of them IMO. If he does, its very rare
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