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Post by tempesthorn on Jun 9, 2015 17:11:06 GMT -5
The same way I get riled up when the frat boys at Baylor who sit on the end line calling our girls names at their matches, I get riled up when someone unfairly criticizes our players on this board. Since people seem to have the right to post any biased thought towards a player they have and call it opinion, it would seem to me people can question and defend those posts as well. Why do you have such a problem with it being a two street? I would hope all our true fans felt the same way as me about being positive towards our players and not tearing them down on an internet board. You attack me like there is something wrong with me being defensive about our players or being friends with player parents. I can't post objectively because of that fact according to you. Since it seems to be fair game to discuss my biases, please share yours with the board. You are a grown ass man posting negative post after negative post about college age girls for a team you claim loyalty towards. We both know why you're doing it. So come clean. They are players at a major division 1 high profile program. There are tons of positives about being in that situation, but along with that is you work under a magnifying glass, you are going to be talked about and scrutinized. I have no problem with that as long as it pertains to volleyball and not them personally. I feel the same way about coaches. As long as it isn't personal, or dealing with their personal lives, and as long as it is fair, it is part of it for them. Being a fan doesnt mean you are relegated to only being able to applaud, or sing praises, you can also be critical and express disappointment, as long as it is fair, and isnt personal. No issue with any of this. It's just in an anonymous posting environment being able to tell what is fair and what is personally motivated becomes quite hard. I don't think devaluation's criticisms fall into the fair criticism bucket when you take into account his personal motivations. He can direct people to Facebook to expose my identity but if he were to be held to the same standard those motivations would be revealed.
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Post by tempesthorn on Jun 9, 2015 17:23:53 GMT -5
They are players at a major division 1 high profile program. There are tons of positives about being in that situation, but along with that is you work under a magnifying glass, you are going to be talked about and scrutinized. I have no problem with that as long as it pertains to volleyball and not them personally. I feel the same way about coaches. As long as it isn't personal, or dealing with their personal lives, and as long as it is fair, it is part of it for them. Being a fan doesnt mean you are relegated to only being able to applaud, or sing praises, you can also be critical and express disappointment, as long as it is fair, and isnt personal. Fully agree. SOMETIMES elevation can go to far, but from what I could see, HE NEVER attacks the players personally, just criticizes their skills and usually provides points to back it up ( don't always agree with it). SOME posters do go to far, but elevation isn't one of them IMO. If he does, its very rare Please continue to defend Devaluation and I'll remind you that he's a poster that attacked Chloe and her "skills" before she ever played a match at the University of Texas. Continually going on about someone's height is a personal attack, no different than a player's weight or physical appearance. How can it not be personal when posters continue to point out to him that other teams have had success with smaller setters and his counterpoint is Carpenter lost her starting job as if in some way that devalues her National Championship?
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jun 9, 2015 17:32:58 GMT -5
Fully agree. SOMETIMES elevation can go to far, but from what I could see, HE NEVER attacks the players personally, just criticizes their skills and usually provides points to back it up ( don't always agree with it). SOME posters do go to far, but elevation isn't one of them IMO. If he does, its very rare Please continue to defend Devaluation and I'll remind you that he's a poster that attacked Chloe and her "skills" before she ever played a match at the University of Texas. Continually going on about someone's height is a personal attack, no different than a player's weight or physical appearance. How can it not be personal when posters continue to point out to him that other teams have had success with smaller setters and his counterpoint is Carpenter lost her starting job as if in some way that devalues her National Championship? Commenting on a player's height is similar to commenting on physical appearance? Really? Height has the same impact as physical appearance on ability to play the game?
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Post by WahineFan44 on Jun 9, 2015 17:42:15 GMT -5
Fully agree. SOMETIMES elevation can go to far, but from what I could see, HE NEVER attacks the players personally, just criticizes their skills and usually provides points to back it up ( don't always agree with it). SOME posters do go to far, but elevation isn't one of them IMO. If he does, its very rare Please continue to defend Devaluation and I'll remind you that he's a poster that attacked Chloe and her "skills" before she ever played a match at the University of Texas. Continually going on about someone's height is a personal attack, no different than a player's weight or physical appearance. How can it not be personal when posters continue to point out to him that other teams have had success with smaller setters and his counterpoint is Carpenter lost her starting job as if in some way that devalues her National Championship? Well considering height in volleyball is a major plus and a big factor in the game, its valid to discuss it. You wouldn't want a shorter setter. Chloe is fantastic, but her height is an issue, especially in a 5-1. Like I said, elevation rarely, if ever attacks the players personally.
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Post by tempesthorn on Jun 9, 2015 17:52:34 GMT -5
Please continue to defend Devaluation and I'll remind you that he's a poster that attacked Chloe and her "skills" before she ever played a match at the University of Texas. Continually going on about someone's height is a personal attack, no different than a player's weight or physical appearance. How can it not be personal when posters continue to point out to him that other teams have had success with smaller setters and his counterpoint is Carpenter lost her starting job as if in some way that devalues her National Championship? Commenting on a player's height is similar to commenting on physical appearance? Really? Height has the same impact as physical appearance on ability to play the game? I bolded the part you can read again. That is not the same thing as either of the questions you posed.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jun 9, 2015 17:57:25 GMT -5
Commenting on a player's height is similar to commenting on physical appearance? Really? Height has the same impact as physical appearance on ability to play the game? I bolded the part you can read again. That is not the same thing as either of the questions you posed. I guess it's not the same thing as either of the questions I posed. Yet that still doesn't make commenting on height a personal attack. Try again.
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Post by tempesthorn on Jun 9, 2015 18:03:33 GMT -5
Please continue to defend Devaluation and I'll remind you that he's a poster that attacked Chloe and her "skills" before she ever played a match at the University of Texas. Continually going on about someone's height is a personal attack, no different than a player's weight or physical appearance. How can it not be personal when posters continue to point out to him that other teams have had success with smaller setters and his counterpoint is Carpenter lost her starting job as if in some way that devalues her National Championship? Well considering height in volleyball is a major plus and a big factor in the game, its valid to discuss it. You wouldn't want a shorter setter. Chloe is fantastic, but her height is an issue, especially in a 5-1. Like I said, elevation rarely, if ever attacks the players personally. We can agree to disagree on Devaluation not personally attacking players. If you want to continue to debate it, I'd be interested in how you defend him trashing her skills before she ever played a match at Texas. Criticizing someone before they ever play a match is not fair criticism to me. It sounds a lot like a personal vendetta because someone didn't like the fact she got a scholarship.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jun 9, 2015 18:11:53 GMT -5
Well considering height in volleyball is a major plus and a big factor in the game, its valid to discuss it. You wouldn't want a shorter setter. Chloe is fantastic, but her height is an issue, especially in a 5-1. Like I said, elevation rarely, if ever attacks the players personally. We can agree to disagree on Devaluation not personally attacking players. If you want to continue to debate it, I'd be interested in how you defend him trashing her skills before she ever played a match at Texas. Criticizing someone before they ever play a match is not fair criticism to me. It sounds a lot like a personal vendetta because someone didn't like the fact she got a scholarship. She didn't come to the team straight from the womb. It's pretty commonplace, and not personal, to evaluate a player based on what they've shown in club.
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Post by tempesthorn on Jun 9, 2015 18:22:38 GMT -5
I bolded the part you can read again. That is not the same thing as either of the questions you posed. I guess it's not the same thing as either of the questions I posed. Yet that still doesn't make commenting on height a personal attack. Try again. When someone is attacking a players's height REPEATEDLY, the timing of the player's recruiting offer, the player's footwork, the player's technique, the player's ability to play D1 ball before they ever set foot on the court, the player's ability to lead a team to the final four in 2015 despite the fact they've been on two final four teams previously, the player's ability to play front row despite the fact there are examples of short setters doing just that while leading teams to championships, jumps on this board and lies about another setter wanting to come to Texas but couldn't because of the player, and repeats all the above everytime someone mentions the player's name; I start to get the impression things might be personal. These are all searchable things you can go find on this board.
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Post by bball on Jun 9, 2015 18:27:09 GMT -5
She is a good setter, but if Dalton is out, and she has no back-up? reasonable thing to talk about.
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Post by holidayhusker on Jun 9, 2015 18:50:17 GMT -5
Their was so much hype about Collins when she committed. Do Texas fans feel like she has lived up to her hype? I really am curious.
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Post by onfiya on Jun 9, 2015 19:28:25 GMT -5
Not at all. When you play for one of the top programs in the nation and were recruited there as an 8th or 9th grader, one might expect a little more than what she has provided. She hasn't gotten noticeably better (or taller) since middle school. What was the rush? Come on! I don't blame the kid though, that's all on JE.
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Post by elevationvb on Jun 9, 2015 19:38:07 GMT -5
Well at the risk of sounding tempestuous , all I offer is a personal opinion.
My knowledge of the team / program is not predicated on any insider information. Although I am friends with some folks in the LHF and athletic department, I do hear things from time to time.
Regarding Ebony Nwanebu - if she is as good as advertised and more importantly healthy, I am more optimistic for this season than I was a week ago. My feeling has been that the talent Elliott is bringing into the program in '15, '16 and beyond sets the stage for Texas getting over the "semi final monkey" hump in a major way and challenging & winning national championships.
My feeling is that some of key players Elliott is bringing into the program at the OH and setting position is an indicator that Elliott understands that there has been a "semi final monkey" the past two seasons and more importantly he understands the talent necessary to compete an win national championships.
We all love Amy Neal - in my opinion, the smartest volleyball player on the court for the team. We are going to continue to win many matches with her but we need better to win it all. I think Ebony Nwanebu could be that answer - - but she's going to have to take it away from Amy because Amy is coming to play. Just look at her serving during the spring matches. From December to April, she raised her level of serving tremendously.
I have similar feelings about Collins - very athletic, etc, but she is not a front row setter for a major program like Texas that wants to get past that "semi final monkey." Now if Dalton cannot play, it looks like Collins is our best hope and we need to hope and pray she does not get injured. That is the gamble Elliott is taking if Dalton does not recover at least to last seasons playing ability. I agree with what a poster posted previously - Elliott must be confident that Dalton will be healthy / ready for the season or he would have looked for another setter.
My general feeling for the '15 season is that with the youth of the incoming talented freshmen and not having the strongest setters and outside hitters, it will be a transition year to big things in '16 and beyond. But maybe, just maybe Ebony Nwanebu can help contribute to the team making it to the regionals in Austin. That would be nice. Ebony is not the answer at OH. She hasn't played that the past two years or even in club. She is RS. She can change, but I don't see that as an upgrade over Amy's passing, and particularly defense, as Amy's passing is hit or miss. Ebony definitely starts, healthy or not, over Paulina, but can Paulina make the transition to OH. I think she's played RS because she isn't an huge upgrade over Amy. Thoughts? Well, as I indicated, I know nothing about our new player other than how excited so many are about her playing for Texas. I just presumed she was a OH. I don't know how much Prieto has improved at OH since December, but based on what I have seen of her, I prefer her at RS. And I would agree Amy would give her strong competition for OH.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jun 9, 2015 19:39:54 GMT -5
I wonder what Randy Newman thinks of all of this?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 20:21:38 GMT -5
wow, this is a really fun thread. All sorts of things happening!
Question: Where does Yaz fit in? does she ride the bench for the next two years?
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