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Post by southie on Jun 9, 2015 21:04:07 GMT -5
wow, this is a really fun thread. All sorts of things happening! Question: Where does Yaz fit in? does she ride the bench for the next two years? Hard to tell who starts each match (consistently) at the pins, but I'm pretty sure Yaz will see a lot of court time; our pin hitters include: 5'9 Sr. Amy Neal 6'2 Jr. Paulina Prieto 6'4 Jr. Ebony Nwanebu 6'4 Fr. Yaz Bedart-Ghani 6'1 Fr. Micaya White In a 6-2 offense, only one of the above is on the bench if the rotation doesn't change. If everyone is healthy to start the season, I'd expect to see several different combinations, especially in the early tourneys where the team is playing 2-3 matches per weekend. In 2016, Amy Neal is no longer around, but 6'1 Abby Buckingam makes her freshman debut. So, still 5 pin hitters on the squad.
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Post by tempesthorn on Jun 9, 2015 21:09:21 GMT -5
wow, this is a really fun thread. All sorts of things happening! Question: Where does Yaz fit in? does she ride the bench for the next two years? No way do you ride the bench for two years at Texas if you are Yaz. According to one of our "fans" and alumni you can take your middle school talent and ride that all the way to 1) unseating a veteran/defending national championship setter as a freshman and 2) being 1/2 of the setter tandem in a 6-2 that gets your team to a national semifinal. If Yaz takes her talent level up to the 9th grade, I think she could probably be playing 6 rotations as a freshman and possibly even getting us to a national final. Not at all. When you play for one of the top programs in the nation and were recruited there as an 8th or 9th grader, one might expect a little more than what she has provided. She hasn't gotten noticeably better (or taller) since middle school. What was the rush? Come on! I don't blame the kid though, that's all on JE.
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Post by elevationvb on Jun 10, 2015 0:33:51 GMT -5
They are players at a major division 1 high profile program. There are tons of positives about being in that situation, but along with that is you work under a magnifying glass, you are going to be talked about and scrutinized. I have no problem with that as long as it pertains to volleyball and not them personally. I feel the same way about coaches. As long as it isn't personal, or dealing with their personal lives, and as long as it is fair, it is part of it for them. Being a fan doesnt mean you are relegated to only being able to applaud, or sing praises, you can also be critical and express disappointment, as long as it is fair, and isnt personal. Fully agree. SOMETIMES elevation can go to far, but from what I could see, HE NEVER attacks the players personally, just criticizes their skills and usually provides points to back it up ( don't always agree with it). SOME posters do go to far, but elevation isn't one of them IMO. If he does, its very rare I have never (I think!!) attacked a Texas player personally. And talking about their height (collins and neal) in context of playing volleyball is not a personal attack. Questioning footwork is not a personal attack. Top programs taking advantage of the players height on the front row is not a personal attack. Hell, if that is the case, this site should be discontinued right now, because on a frequent basis, posters here dissect the potential playing ability of recruits based on their height, vertical, speed, court personality, you name it. The problem with some posters regarding Collins and Neal is that they posted here that they were going to be super studs because of their performance in high school / club. But the reality is that volleyball height is a factor for a program like Texas and the past couple of seasons has borne that out, in my opinion. That is not the end of the world and is not a personal attack. As another poster posted, Elliott is trying to get the program over the hump that has happened the past 2 seasons. I agree with that. The recruiting decisions he is now making at the setter / outside hitter positions indicates to me he is going in another direction to get over that hump. I agree with it - - but just my opinion.
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Post by elevationvb on Jun 10, 2015 0:40:07 GMT -5
I wonder what Randy Newman thinks of all of this? Probably wondering if he can claim royalties!
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Post by vbprisoner on Jun 10, 2015 1:18:36 GMT -5
wow, this is a really fun thread. All sorts of things happening! Question: Where does Yaz fit in? does she ride the bench for the next two years? No way do you ride the bench for two years at Texas if you are Yaz. According to one of our "fans" and alumni you can take your middle school talent and ride that all the way to 1) unseating a veteran/defending national championship setter as a freshman and 2) being 1/2 of the setter tandem in a 6-2 that gets your team to a national semifinal. If Yaz takes her talent level up to the 9th grade, I think she could probably be playing 6 rotations as a freshman and possibly even getting us to a national final. Not at all. When you play for one of the top programs in the nation and were recruited there as an 8th or 9th grader, one might expect a little more than what she has provided. She hasn't gotten noticeably better (or taller) since middle school. What was the rush? Come on! I don't blame the kid though, that's all on JE. Tempest, you need to relax. elevationvb is opinionated, but does not attack players personally. Yes he is direct and blount but really only talks about skill set or physical abilities or liabilities.
Do not bring unneeded drama to the Texas thread, we already have enough of that!
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Post by smb4 on Jun 10, 2015 3:23:04 GMT -5
I wonder what Randy Newman thinks of all of this? Short people are just the same as you and I.
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Post by notwvb on Jun 10, 2015 10:04:25 GMT -5
I wonder what Randy Newman thinks of all of this? Short people are just the same as you and I. Tall people are just the same as you and I, excepting without limitation they are tall
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Post by SportyBucky on Jun 10, 2015 10:13:10 GMT -5
I guess it's not the same thing as either of the questions I posed. Yet that still doesn't make commenting on height a personal attack. Try again. When someone is attacking a players's height REPEATEDLY, the timing of the player's recruiting offer, the player's footwork, the player's technique, the player's ability to play D1 ball before they ever set foot on the court, the player's ability to lead a team to the final four in 2015 despite the fact they've been on two final four teams previously, the player's ability to play front row despite the fact there are examples of short setters doing just that while leading teams to championships, jumps on this board and lies about another setter wanting to come to Texas but couldn't because of the player, and repeats all the above everytime someone mentions the player's name; I start to get the impression things might be personal.
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Post by Disc808 on Jun 10, 2015 10:43:17 GMT -5
Not at all. When you play for one of the top programs in the nation and were recruited there as an 8th or 9th grader, one might expect a little more than what she has provided. She hasn't gotten noticeably better (or taller) since middle school. What was the rush? Come on! I don't blame the kid though, that's all on JE. I agree. Chloe isn't really that good. I mean, look at the semis. She was struggling to connect with her hitters and she just moonballed it. I mean there's no skill in that. Look at carlini or bugg and you'll see what it takes to be a good setter.
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Post by southie on Jun 10, 2015 11:15:08 GMT -5
Not at all. When you play for one of the top programs in the nation and were recruited there as an 8th or 9th grader, one might expect a little more than what she has provided. She hasn't gotten noticeably better (or taller) since middle school. What was the rush? Come on! I don't blame the kid though, that's all on JE. I agree. Chloe isn't really that good. I mean, look at the semis. She was struggling to connect with her hitters and she just moonballed it. I mean there's no skill in that. Look at carlini or bugg and you'll see what it takes to be a good setter. One match definitely speaks volumes. Bugg was not all that in the semi's . . .
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Post by dorothymantooth on Jun 10, 2015 11:34:43 GMT -5
I agree. Chloe isn't really that good. I mean, look at the semis. She was struggling to connect with her hitters and she just moonballed it. I mean there's no skill in that. Look at carlini or bugg and you'll see what it takes to be a good setter. One match definitely speaks volumes. Bugg was not all that in the semi's . . . and LLoyd was average at best in her NCAA final. It happens, just a bad time for it to happen.
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Post by tempesthorn on Jun 10, 2015 11:42:45 GMT -5
Not at all. When you play for one of the top programs in the nation and were recruited there as an 8th or 9th grader, one might expect a little more than what she has provided. She hasn't gotten noticeably better (or taller) since middle school. What was the rush? Come on! I don't blame the kid though, that's all on JE. I agree. Chloe isn't really that good. I mean, look at the semis. She was struggling to connect with her hitters and she just moonballed it. I mean there's no skill in that. Look at carlini or bugg and you'll see what it takes to be a good setter. I have yet to see one Texas fan say Colins is better than Carlini or Bugg. The conversation is always about her shortcomings (literally). For a sorry ass setter that hasn't improved since 8th grade, the vitriolic posts would make more sense directed at a fan base pumping a setter as the next big thing. It's true what Ms. Swift says.... The haters gonna hate hate hate hate.
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Post by Disc808 on Jun 10, 2015 11:45:20 GMT -5
One match definitely speaks volumes. Bugg was not all that in the semi's . . . and LLoyd was average at best in her NCAA final. It happens, just a bad time for it to happen. I think Bugg made some poor decisions but that wasn't the reason why they lost. I think Chloe does have some good setting skills but probably won't be sufficient for a 5-1 especially for her height. Yes there are some short setters but they bring more to the table than Chloe does. We'll just have to see.
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Post by southie on Jun 10, 2015 12:03:27 GMT -5
and LLoyd was average at best in her NCAA final. It happens, just a bad time for it to happen. I think Bugg made some poor decisions but that wasn't the reason why they lost. I think Chloe does have some good setting skills but probably won't be sufficient for a 5-1 especially for her height. Yes there are some short setters but they bring more to the table than Chloe does. We'll just have to see. Bugg isn't short, but she was still schooled by Megan Courtney time and time again, IIRC.
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Post by vbprisoner on Jun 10, 2015 12:03:41 GMT -5
Not at all. When you play for one of the top programs in the nation and were recruited there as an 8th or 9th grader, one might expect a little more than what she has provided. She hasn't gotten noticeably better (or taller) since middle school. What was the rush? Come on! I don't blame the kid though, that's all on JE. I agree. Chloe isn't really that good. I mean, look at the semis. She was struggling to connect with her hitters and she just moonballed it. I mean there's no skill in that. Look at carlini or bugg and you'll see what it takes to be a good setter. You cannot blame the moonball on Collins; you can blame location of sets on the setter, but Elliott has played that style for the last several years because he had serious high flyers like Hooker, Webster, Eckerman, etc. that could get up and hit over most blocks. Hannah Allison was criticized for the moonball while she was at Texas. Playing a moonball offense is the coach's decision not a player's decision.
This past spring Texas played a faster offense and Collins looked much better and more confident in that offense so if they play the faster offense in 2015 I think it will benefit the setters and players like Neal if she is on the court.
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