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Post by rainbowbadger on Mar 4, 2015 15:55:38 GMT -5
Hilley is no Carlini.
That said, Hilley is a damn fine prep setter, and I feel comfortable knowing that either she or Hannah will take the reigns in 2017. Syd looks really good right now, so I'm not too worried. And if Hannah beats her, it'll be because Hannah is better. So I'm also not worried there. The nice thing about having two quality setters poised to take over is that they will be fighting each other for playing time.
RE: Sheffield judging talent. I have heard (from a third-hand source of questionable bias) that Sheffield is not as good at judging back row ability and potential as he is at judging other players, and he relies on Dilly for judging the back row. I actually don't think it's as big of an issue as others do because I'm sure Dilly is teaching him what to look for, and because I don't generally have an issue with leaders having weaknesses as long as they recognize them and manage around them (e.g., hiring someone who can scout and coach passers if you're not so good at it). That being said, if it is the case that Dilly is the lynchpin of our floor defense, we're okay until she gets a head coaching job elsewhere, which I'm estimating will happen in the next 3 years. At that point, Sheff just needs to make sure that her replacement is equally skilled in that area.
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Post by vbprisoner on Mar 4, 2015 15:59:15 GMT -5
I have seen Hilley play and she is very good, but not on the same level as Carlini. Carlini is the kind of talent that is extra special because she plays position that is arguably the most important on the court, is 6'2" with great athleticism, has a great volleyball IQ, and has the "take no prisoners" competitive mentality. What aspects of Hilley's game are similar to Carlini's? she a couple inches shorter than Carlini, maybe 5'11. The first time I saw Carlini play I knew she was special, and had the ability to make everyone around her better. If Carlini is a 10 on all the traits, then Hilley is a 7. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 16:00:45 GMT -5
From a training aspect, what are Sheffield's strengths? I can't remember what position he played.
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Post by vbprisoner on Mar 4, 2015 16:38:36 GMT -5
Hilley is no Carlini. That said, Hilley is a damn fine prep setter, and I feel comfortable knowing that either she or Hannah will take the reigns in 2017. Syd looks really good right now, so I'm not too worried. And if Hannah beats her, it'll be because Hannah is better. So I'm also not worried there. The nice thing about having two quality setters poised to take over is that they will be fighting each other for playing time. RE: Sheffield judging talent. I have heard (from a third-hand source of questionable bias) that Sheffield is not as good at judging back row ability and potential as he is at judging other players, and he relies on Dilly for judging the back row. I actually don't think it's as big of an issue as others do because I'm sure Dilly is teaching him what to look for, and because I don't generally have an issue with leaders having weaknesses as long as they recognize them and manage around them (e.g., hiring someone who can scout and coach passers if you're not so good at it). That being said, if it is the case that Dilly is the lynchpin of our floor defense, we're okay until she gets a head coaching job elsewhere, which I'm estimating will happen in the next 3 years. At that point, Sheff just needs to make sure that her replacement is equally skilled in that area. Yes.....as I said in previous post Carlini is extra special and I truly hope she gets opportunity to play in another Championship match because she is the best player in the country IMO.
As you said when you have two quality setters at the same time and there may be only the slightest of difference in who plays it does make them push each other to get even better. Only negative is if one not playing and wants to play transfers.
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Post by BadgerAce42 on Mar 4, 2015 16:55:12 GMT -5
Hilley is no Carlini. That said, Hilley is a damn fine prep setter, and I feel comfortable knowing that either she or Hannah will take the reigns in 2017. Syd looks really good right now, so I'm not too worried. And if Hannah beats her, it'll be because Hannah is better. So I'm also not worried there. The nice thing about having two quality setters poised to take over is that they will be fighting each other for playing time. RE: Sheffield judging talent. I have heard (from a third-hand source of questionable bias) that Sheffield is not as good at judging back row ability and potential as he is at judging other players, and he relies on Dilly for judging the back row. I actually don't think it's as big of an issue as others do because I'm sure Dilly is teaching him what to look for, and because I don't generally have an issue with leaders having weaknesses as long as they recognize them and manage around them (e.g., hiring someone who can scout and coach passers if you're not so good at it). That being said, if it is the case that Dilly is the lynchpin of our floor defense, we're okay until she gets a head coaching job elsewhere, which I'm estimating will happen in the next 3 years. At that point, Sheff just needs to make sure that her replacement is equally skilled in that area. Yes.....as I said in previous post Carlini is extra special and I truly hope she gets opportunity to play in another Championship match because she is the best player in the country IMO.
As you said when you have two quality setters at the same time and there may be only the slightest of difference in who plays it does make them push each other to get even better. Only negative is if one not playing and wants to play transfers.
Or you can be Courtney Thomas and you become a 2nd-team AA OPP, haha. ^Edited because that's not a negative |
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Post by rainbowbadger on Mar 4, 2015 18:36:34 GMT -5
From a training aspect, what are Sheffield's strengths? I can't remember what position he played. Dude, are you being sarcastic? It's pretty well known that Sheff has never played a single point of volleyball in his life. He started coaching middle school VB to get a girl. |
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Post by vbprisoner on Mar 4, 2015 19:10:07 GMT -5
From a training aspect, what are Sheffield's strengths? I can't remember what position he played. Dude, are you being sarcastic? It's pretty well known that Sheff has never played a single point of volleyball in his life. He started coaching middle school VB to get a girl. That's some funny sh*t! |
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Post by #skoskers on Mar 4, 2015 19:59:23 GMT -5
What part is so funny - that Shef started to coach middle school to get a girl (still trying to grasp that exactly) or that Shef never played? Did it work? Did he get the girl? |
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Post by SportyBucky on Mar 4, 2015 20:30:29 GMT -5
I'd say teams can be derailed by personalities and you absolutely can recruit against that. It is almost always evident, when observing a tourney, a practice, etc...that a player has an attitude. Question is, is that attitude such that it will destroy team chemistry (ala Nebraska) or is it something that can be corrected. I do believe observation, knowing coaching staff, both HS and club and talking to the kid reveals A LOT. With regard to replicating the most recent senior class, it was special. I do believe there's chemistry that propels a team, like these last couple years, there's chemistry that is neutral and doesn't help nor hurt a team, and there's destructive chemistry. You simply want to avoid the latter a strive for the former. I'm still not sold on people's opinions that Nebraska lacked chemistry last year or that Kadie is a destructive teammate. IMO Kadie is no Derisilo, Gamova, or Tandara, who all seem to hamper the moods on their respective club and national teams. I've watched replays of some of our matches from last year (Texas, PSU in Lincoln, Purdue, Washington, and BYU) under the assumption that Kadie is a toxic teammate, but I didn't see anything in those matches that indicated poor sportsmanship or bad attitudes. If people are basing their opinions of Kadie on the match at PSU in which she got pulled in set one, I would contend that the defamation of her character is a bit extreme and unfair. Did I mention Kadie? I do not think there was true TEAM chemistry on NE. It did not appear like anyone other than your libero enjoyed playing, enjoyed competition and thrived when there was adversity. Coach Cook didn't help. Lots of reasons, Kadie included. Mary's setting didn't help. Apparent (and I think admitted) lack of effort on Haggerty's part didn't help. Kadie's eye rolls did not help, and if I saw the so did her teammates. You're welcome to your opinions, but there are a lot on my side who observed the less than tangible lack of chemistry. Some of my observations, and there are more, are an attempt to make it tangible. |
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Post by #skoskers on Mar 4, 2015 20:38:41 GMT -5
I'm still not sold on people's opinions that Nebraska lacked chemistry last year or that Kadie is a destructive teammate. IMO Kadie is no Derisilo, Gamova, or Tandara, who all seem to hamper the moods on their respective club and national teams. I've watched replays of some of our matches from last year (Texas, PSU in Lincoln, Purdue, Washington, and BYU) under the assumption that Kadie is a toxic teammate, but I didn't see anything in those matches that indicated poor sportsmanship or bad attitudes. If people are basing their opinions of Kadie on the match at PSU in which she got pulled in set one, I would contend that the defamation of her character is a bit extreme and unfair. Did I mention Kadie? I do not think there was true TEAM chemistry on NE. It did not appear like anyone other than your libero enjoyed playing, enjoyed competition and thrived when there was adversity. Coach Cook didn't help. Lots of reasons, Kadie included. Mary's setting didn't help. Apparent (and I think admitted) lack of effort on Haggerty's part didn't help. Kadie's eye rolls did not help, and if I saw the so did her teammates. You're welcome to your opinions, but there are a lot on my side who observed the less than tangible lack of chemistry. Some of my observations, and there are more, are an attempt to make it tangible. Go to the Nebraska thread, where this conversation is more relevant. |
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Post by vbprisoner on Mar 4, 2015 20:57:48 GMT -5
What part is so funny - that Shef started to coach middle school to get a girl (still trying to grasp that exactly) or that Shef never played? That he started to coach to get a girl! Probably a few coaches out there that never played, but know the game and can coach. |
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Post by rainbowbadger on Mar 4, 2015 23:38:55 GMT -5
The girl coached the middle school team and was like, "We could use some help," so he volunteered to help to impress her and to spend more time around her. Picked up the game on the fly. From there to Burris and Munciana and camps galore, which led to his first ACing job in Houston. Not sure what happened to the girl, but it's not Mrs. Sheff. She came along later.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 1:26:59 GMT -5
What aspects of Hilley's game are similar to Carlini's? I felt that Hilley was directly comparable to LC given her size and the way she moves. She blocks extremely well, probably much better than well actually. Her sets are crisp and precise. She digs, saw several balls that were down brought up when she dove under them. She spikes from the net and from the back. LC is "listed" at 6'2", SH is listed at 6'0" but they seem to be the same size. Everything I saw from her reminded me of LC. Granted I only saw her play half a dozen matches over 2 days but saw no weaknesses in any aspect of her game I don't know why you can't just say "Hilley is very good as a sophomore" or "Hilley has great potential." I don't know why you feel it's necessary to compare a 15 year old kid to one of the best setters to ever play collegiate volleyball. It just seems unfair because Hilley never asked for that comparison. Instead of talking about the things that make her great, you're inviting people to pick out her weaknesses. Just seems unnecessary. For the record, and I'm not a huge Shook fan, but I think Shook is, far and away, the better prospect as a setter comparing where they both are at this point in their respective careers and their relative potential. Hilley is good, but she's not the best in her class IMO, and is, certainly, no Carlini. I actually think Hilley has more potential down the road as an attacker. She kicked ass for her high school team on the left. |
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Post by rainbowbadger on Mar 5, 2015 6:01:16 GMT -5
I felt that Hilley was directly comparable to LC given her size and the way she moves. She blocks extremely well, probably much better than well actually. Her sets are crisp and precise. She digs, saw several balls that were down brought up when she dove under them. She spikes from the net and from the back. LC is "listed" at 6'2", SH is listed at 6'0" but they seem to be the same size. Everything I saw from her reminded me of LC. Granted I only saw her play half a dozen matches over 2 days but saw no weaknesses in any aspect of her game I don't know why you can't just say "Hilley is very good as a sophomore" or "Hilley has great potential." I don't know why you feel it's necessary to compare a 15 year old kid to one of the best setters to ever play collegiate volleyball. It just seems unfair because Hilley never asked for that comparison. Instead of talking about the things that make her great, you're inviting people to pick out her weaknesses. Just seems unnecessary. For the record, and I'm not a huge Shook fan, but I think Shook is, far and away, the better prospect as a setter comparing where they both are at this point in their respective careers and their relative potential. Hilley is good, but she's not the best in her class IMO, and is, certainly, no Carlini. I actually think Hilley has more potential down the road as an attacker. She kicked ass for her high school team on the left. Agree with not comparing them. Let Hilley be Hilley. Your comments about her hitting make me wonder whether we might run a 6-2 with Hilley playing 6 rotations and Hannah subbing for an Opp. It'll be interesting to see what develops. |
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Post by Wiswell on Mar 5, 2015 8:56:30 GMT -5
The girl coached the middle school team and was like, "We could use some help," so he volunteered to help to impress her and to spend more time around her. Picked up the game on the fly. From there to Burris and Munciana and camps galore, which led to his first ACing job in Houston. Not sure what happened to the girl, but it's not Mrs. Sheff. She came along later. But Coach Sheffield can thank "the girl" for bringing him ultimately to "Mrs. Sheff" since she was a volleyball player herself at UVA. And we can thank "the girl" too! What part is so funny - that Shef started to coach middle school to get a girl (still trying to grasp that exactly) or that Shef never played? That he started to coach to get a girl! Probably a few coaches out there that never played, but know the game and can coach. John Dunning is one that also didn't play. |
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