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Post by badgerbreath on Mar 16, 2015 13:23:59 GMT -5
Front row skills is not necessarily the same as height. She's not competing against PSU or Nebraska's outsides, she's competing against the pool at Wisconsin and her front row skills are as developed or better. And you also forget that these individuals play within a team. Wisconsin needs somebody who can both pass and hit - not for every front row position - but they need at least one. Right now, there's no one close to her in that particular role. I should have been specific in stating RS for the teams mentioned. My original point was last year she was not relied on every match as the go to hitter with the seniors in place and a distributed attack.
This year she may be relied upon a lot more and we will see how an athletic 5'10" OH does in the B1G when opponents focus on her. I did not say she would not be as successful, just it will be more challenging.
I think that is a fair concern. Its developing the balanced distributed attack that makes the most out of Carlini's skills that has me most worried with all the incoming freshmen. We haven't seen teams camp out on Bates so much yet. Kriskova and Nelson will help, but at least one and more likely two of the freshman hitters really has to step up for the badgers to do really well. Carlini will make that easier, for sure. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Mar 16, 2015 13:28:57 GMT -5
Front row skills is not necessarily the same as height. She's not competing against PSU or Nebraska's outsides, she's competing against the pool at Wisconsin and her front row skills are as developed or better. And you also forget that these individuals play within a team. Wisconsin needs somebody who can both pass and hit - not for every front row position - but they need at least one. Right now, there's no one close to her in that particular role. I should have been specific in stating RS for the teams mentioned. My original point was last year she was not relied on every match as the go to hitter with the seniors in place and a distributed attack.
This year she may be relied upon a lot more and we will see how an athletic 5'10" OH does in the B1G when opponents focus on her. I did not say she would not be as successful, just it will be more challenging.
I still think that relates more to Wisconsin's success as a team (and how Bates fares hitting without Thomas on the right side is a fair concern), than whether Bates will be pushed for playing time. I just don't see a situation where Wisconsin can put a credible lineup out that doesn't have her playing 6 rotations - there aren't enough other passers. Whether Wisconsin is as successful in general? Well, I think some sort of drop is assumed (even the craziest of homers aren't calling for a B1G repeat), but whether they can hang in the upper echelon will be a big test of Carlini's Carlini-ness. |
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Post by vbprisoner on Mar 16, 2015 13:41:31 GMT -5
I should have been specific in stating RS for the teams mentioned. My original point was last year she was not relied on every match as the go to hitter with the seniors in place and a distributed attack.
This year she may be relied upon a lot more and we will see how an athletic 5'10" OH does in the B1G when opponents focus on her. I did not say she would not be as successful, just it will be more challenging.
I still think that relates more to Wisconsin's success as a team (and how Bates fares hitting without Thomas on the right side is a fair concern), than whether Bates will be pushed for playing time. I just don't see a situation where Wisconsin can put a credible lineup out that doesn't have her playing 6 rotations - there aren't enough other passers. Whether Wisconsin is as successful in general? Well, I think some sort of drop is assumed (even the craziest of homers aren't calling for a B1G repeat), but whether they can hang in the upper echelon will be a big test of Carlini's Carlini-ness. I never questioned whether Bates would be on the court, just her success as a go to attacker in the B1G when teams may focus on her this year. She will be on the court because all the incoming freshman probably do not have her back row skills which is a critical part of Wisconsin. They may have been the best overall floor defensive team I saw last season. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 14:01:37 GMT -5
It certainly was the discussion, you're correct. Badger fans were desperately hanging onto Morales' performance in 2013, skeptical of Kriskova's talent, and uneducated about Bates, and the rest of us were trying to explain that, yes, Deme did some good things, but she wasn't on the floor because she beat anyone out. She was on the floor because there literally wasn't anyone else, and Kriskova and Bates would be big upgrades in almost every area of the game. Several of you were suggesting that Deme would start over Kriskova, too. So first you say you don't remember this, then you say you do remember it, but everyone else was wrong. That is called moving the goalposts. I'm fine with anyone contributing to our understanding of the players' merits. I'm not so fine with self-aggrandisement clothed as insight. I also don't see how it was not legitimate to debate the relative merits of an incoming regular, a freshman we've barely seen if at all, and a transfer with great stats but who is new to the B1G. And I remember it, there was a general consensus that Kriskova would be an improvement over Deme, but people wanted to see how she would do against the B1G ladies. And do you have some problem with Deme? She was definitely an important part of the team in 2013 and played in the title match - pretty well I might add. This year, I don't see why Duello can't develop in a similar way that Bates did. Sheff wouldn't have recruited her if he didn't think she was capable of that. And Kriskova could play left side if someone else takes the RS by the scruff of the neck (Saunders, Fricano). Then Bates has competition for a starting place. Is that a likely scenario? I don't think so -- her ball handling is too important. But there is no use simply assuming it can't happen. Sheff will not set up the team in a fashion that any position is guaranteed to a player. That is Rainbow's simple point. No one said that's how Sheffield will set up his team. She, however, is as guaranteed her spot as Carlini, IMO. Why not just say "Bates is the only returning pin attacker, a primary passer, and one of two returning six-rotation players, and will be an important part of the our offense in the fall?" Why all of the "she has to earn her spot" stuff? I think you Badger fans can get a little keyboard happy sometimes, even glass-half-empty, just posting things just to post them. We are all well aware that she isn't being handed her spot. No one suggested that she wouldn't have to work to play. I'm just saying that it is pretty obvious that she's not coming off the floor in the fall, and I don't understand the point of discussing otherwise. And, no, I wasn't "moving the goalposts." I don't remember the same "many thought she would start in 2014, and argued that she deserved it" conversations that Rainbow did. I remember a few Badger fans thinking that, but most others disagreeing, myself included, and was clarifying my recollection of the topic. |
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Post by badgerbreath on Mar 16, 2015 14:08:24 GMT -5
So first you say you don't remember this, then you say you do remember it, but everyone else was wrong. That is called moving the goalposts. I'm fine with anyone contributing to our understanding of the players' merits. I'm not so fine with self-aggrandisement clothed as insight. I also don't see how it was not legitimate to debate the relative merits of an incoming regular, a freshman we've barely seen if at all, and a transfer with great stats but who is new to the B1G. And I remember it, there was a general consensus that Kriskova would be an improvement over Deme, but people wanted to see how she would do against the B1G ladies. And do you have some problem with Deme? She was definitely an important part of the team in 2013 and played in the title match - pretty well I might add. This year, I don't see why Duello can't develop in a similar way that Bates did. Sheff wouldn't have recruited her if he didn't think she was capable of that. And Kriskova could play left side if someone else takes the RS by the scruff of the neck (Saunders, Fricano). Then Bates has competition for a starting place. Is that a likely scenario? I don't think so -- her ball handling is too important. But there is no use simply assuming it can't happen. Sheff will not set up the team in a fashion that any position is guaranteed to a player. That is Rainbow's simple point. No one said that's how Sheffield will set up his team. She, however, is as guaranteed her spot as Carlini, IMO. Why not just say "Bates is the only returning pin attacker, a primary passer, and one of two returning six-rotation players, and will be an important part of the our offense in the fall?" Why all of the "she has to earn her spot" stuff? I think you Badger fans can get a little keyboard happy sometimes, even glass-half-empty, just posting things just to post them. We are all well aware that she isn't being handed her spot. No one suggested that she wouldn't have to work to play. I'm just saying that it is pretty obvious that she's not coming off the floor in the fall, and I don't understand the point of discussing otherwise. And, no, I wasn't "moving the goalposts." I don't remember the same "many thought she would start in 2014, and argued that she deserved it" conversations that Rainbow did. I remember a few Badger fans thinking that, but most others disagreeing, myself included, and was clarifying my recollection of the topic. OK...lets let it rest. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 14:09:14 GMT -5
No one said that's how Sheffield will set up his team. She, however, is as guaranteed her spot as Carlini, IMO. Why not just say "Bates is the only returning pin attacker, a primary passer, and one of two returning six-rotation players, and will be an important part of the our offense in the fall?" Why all of the "she has to earn her spot" stuff? I think you Badger fans can get a little keyboard happy sometimes, even glass-half-empty, just posting things just to post them. We are all well aware that she isn't being handed her spot. No one suggested that she wouldn't have to work to play. I'm just saying that it is pretty obvious that she's not coming off the floor in the fall, and I don't understand the point of discussing otherwise. And, no, I wasn't "moving the goalposts." I don't remember the same "many thought she would start in 2014, and argued that she deserved it" conversations that Rainbow did. I remember a few Badger fans thinking that, but most others disagreeing, myself included, and was clarifying my recollection of the topic. OK...lets let it rest. I concur. |
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Post by badgerbreath on Mar 16, 2015 14:38:47 GMT -5
Back to the BINGO...any word people? It rarely takes this long. I expect that if it is a walk-on DS worth tweeting about that some announcement would be made -- ala Maddie Smith.
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Post by badgerbreath on Mar 16, 2015 16:36:55 GMT -5
Even those usually get announced by the signee however. I mean, Sheff isn't allowed to say anything, but Dennis Punzel and the player are.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Mar 16, 2015 16:43:08 GMT -5
If they're verbals for future players, usually the player will tweet an announcement, or her coach or club will tweet a congratulations. That typically happens within a day.
For EJ & Kriskova's transfers, there was a great deal of time between the BINGO and the announcement. Every day that goes by makes me think more that it's a transfer.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Mar 16, 2015 16:47:26 GMT -5
Okay. Bates is a 6 rotation hitter, the only one we have returning*, and was one of our primary passers last year. I am confident that she will again earn a starting spot, and Bates & Morey will anchor the serve receive.
*Kriskova played all around at VCU, so it's not unreasonable to expect that she might do so this fall. But I'm betting she's back at RS.
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Post by badgerbreath on Mar 16, 2015 16:57:58 GMT -5
If we receive with 3 again, we'll need another anchor. I'm guessing that will be MacDonald. But we are still short DS's. I have to think we're looking for a transfer to fill in floor defense here.
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Post by Kamja68 on Mar 16, 2015 17:30:12 GMT -5
Back to the BINGO...any word people? It rarely takes this long. I expect that if it is a walk-on DS worth tweeting about that some announcement would be made -- ala Maddie Smith. They have MacDonald for 2015 for DS obviously and Smith as DS from the Wisconsin press release. I would guess that Smith will be a work in progress in the backrow. They have 2 DS commits in 2016 so they should be in good shape if a few of them pan out as expected. I am guessing it a 2017 player. |
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Post by badgerbreath on Mar 16, 2015 23:03:39 GMT -5
We've never waited more than a couple days to hear about a commitment that was more than year out. I'm with Rainbow here -- this smells like a transfer. We may not hear for a while.
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Post by SportyBucky on Mar 17, 2015 8:36:07 GMT -5
I should have been specific in stating RS for the teams mentioned. My original point was last year she was not relied on every match as the go to hitter with the seniors in place and a distributed attack.
This year she may be relied upon a lot more and we will see how an athletic 5'10" OH does in the B1G when opponents focus on her. I did not say she would not be as successful, just it will be more challenging.
I still think that relates more to Wisconsin's success as a team (and how Bates fares hitting without Thomas on the right side is a fair concern), than whether Bates will be pushed for playing time. I just don't see a situation where Wisconsin can put a credible lineup out that doesn't have her playing 6 rotations - there aren't enough other passers. Whether Wisconsin is as successful in general? Well, I think some sort of drop is assumed (even the craziest of homers aren't calling for a B1G repeat), but whether they can hang in the upper echelon will be a big test of Carlini's Carlini-ness. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility, with the best setter in college VB, that WI repeats. PSU drops. Much unknown about NE. We bring back a solid nucleus and some good talent. Stranger things have happened. |
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Post by badgerbreath on Mar 17, 2015 14:29:49 GMT -5
I think that if Carlini can get the new hitters comfortable quickly, which she should be able to do, Wisconsin can do pretty well in conference. Then the position in the final standings depends on how much the other top teams beat each other up. If one team gets the clear upper hand against the other competitors, it will be hard for UW to win the B1G. But if there is parity at the top, the badgers have a high enough ceiling that they could sneak in at the end.
My real hope in 2015 is for the tournament, though. By that time Sheff and Carlini should have gotten things on track and Wisconsin could prove very dangerous.
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