pedro
Junior High
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Post by pedro on Jun 28, 2023 18:30:23 GMT -5
This article is disappointing reading from someone that knows quite a bit. It shows her as a victim and that is really far from the truth. Lots that will be left unreported…oh well… I guess they can’t get the other side because they are all gagged by being a public institution. But just bad reporting…honestly UO has a medical staff and coaches that are more protective of their injured athletes than about any program I have seen. I guess papers like any type of scoop that will gain attention as we know print and electronic reporting are struggling financially. Just sad. The fact that you know ANYTHING about this situation means that both FERPA and HIPAA laws may have been violated. It’s so disappointing that you state that Williams is not the victim. She worked her entire life to get to this point, got injured, was told they needed her to play because another player was hurt and they played her with 4 severed ligaments (she had no idea the damage in her ankle as UO did not disclose it). Then at the end of the season was told to transfer because her stats weren’t good enough. She was basically playing with one foot. Knowing that no one would take her due to her upcoming surgery and lengthy recovery, she did not enter the portal. She was then approved by UO for a redshirt year. She had surgery and returned to practice and that is when Ulmer started telling her she should medically retire. NEITHER SURGEON EVER TOLD HER SHE NEEDED TO MEDICALLY RETIRE - Matt wanted her to medically retire because like he said “this is how we get the money back” and if you don’t MR then we don’t want you in the gym. The Pac-12 intervened the attempt to force Williams to MR and called and told UO that she is not eligible to medically retire. Taylor never asked for an investigation - that was something the UO initiated when they heard Taylor’s story. And then the UO hires an ex general counsel employee to run an “independent” investigation. All the while, Taylor is told not to go into the gym while the investigation is taking place. Taylor lost everything - her team, her “friends”, the opportunity to play the sport she loves and 2 years of elegibility. She is the victim in this situation and for you to elude otherwise is disgraceful. Someone in your position should have more empathy for injured players and how terrible it is for these young athletes. A significant injury is bad enough but to have your coaches turn against you and to have comments such as yours, just proves how toxic this environment was for Taylor. Comments like yours are disgusting.
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Post by digitdan on Jun 28, 2023 23:20:34 GMT -5
It’s funny how people who are “in tight with the coach” think they know what’s going on with other players and their situations and feel free to comment and support the coach only. Turning the player into the victim is a classic case of someone who’s never been in that situation, doesn’t understand the details, has no idea what really was said and done, and yet feels free to protect the coach and their own daughter on the team so she can get playing time. I imagine there are other players that Mr. Ulmer treated the same way - which would clearly indicate this is not a single incident, but rather a pattern. That’s usually what happens when someone has the courage to speak up about poor coach behaviors - it allows others to know they’re not alone. And 95% of the time the victim/player is right and with that in mind, we should all support the victim. She’s showing us the smoke so we can find the fire. Kudos to the players who stand up and tell their stories of mistreatment. This article is disappointing reading from someone that knows quite a bit. It shows her as a victim and that is really far from the truth. Lots that will be left unreported…oh well… I guess they can’t get the other side because they are all gagged by being a public institution. But just bad reporting…honestly UO has a medical staff and coaches that are more protective of their injured athletes than about any program I have seen. I guess papers like any type of scoop that will gain attention as we know print and electronic reporting are struggling financially. Just sad. The fact that you know ANYTHING about this situation means that both FERPA and HIPAA laws may have been violated. It’s so disappointing that you state that Williams is not the victim. She worked her entire life to get to this point, got injured, was told they needed her to play because another player was hurt and they played her with 4 severed ligaments (she had no idea the damage in her ankle as UO did not disclose it). Then at the end of the season was told to transfer because her stats weren’t good enough. She was basically playing with one foot. Knowing that no one would take her due to her upcoming surgery and lengthy recovery, she did not enter the portal. She was then approved by UO for a redshirt year. She had surgery and returned to practice and that is when Ulmer started telling her she should medically retire. NEITHER SURGEON EVER TOLD HER SHE NEEDED TO MEDICALLY RETIRE - Matt wanted her to medically retire because like he said “this is how we get the money back” and if you don’t MR then we don’t want you in the gym. The Pac-12 intervened the attempt to force Williams to MR and called and told UO that she is not eligible to medically retire. Taylor never asked for an investigation - that was something the UO initiated when they heard Taylor’s story. And then the UO hires an ex general counsel employee to run an “independent” investigation. All the while, Taylor is told not to go into the gym while the investigation is taking place. Taylor lost everything - her team, her “friends”, the opportunity to play the sport she loves and 2 years of elegibility. She is the victim in this situation and for you to elude otherwise is disgraceful. Someone in your position should have more empathy for injured players and how terrible it is for these young athletes. A significant injury is bad enough but to have your coaches turn against you and to have comments such as yours, just proves how toxic this environment was for Taylor. Comments like yours are disgusting.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jun 28, 2023 23:33:31 GMT -5
It’s funny how people who are “in tight with the coach” think they know what’s going on with other players and their situations and feel free to comment and support the coach only. Turning the player into the victim is a classic case of someone who’s never been in that situation, doesn’t understand the details, has no idea what really was said and done, and yet feels free to protect the coach and their own daughter on the team so she can get playing time. I imagine there are other players that Mr. Ulmer treated the same way - which would clearly indicate this is not a single incident, but rather a pattern. That’s usually what happens when someone has the courage to speak up about poor coach behaviors - it allows others to know they’re not alone. And 95% of the time the victim/player is right and with that in mind, we should all support the victim. She’s showing us the smoke so we can find the fire. Kudos to the players who stand up and tell their stories of mistreatment. The fact that you know ANYTHING about this situation means that both FERPA and HIPAA laws may have been violated. It’s so disappointing that you state that Williams is not the victim. She worked her entire life to get to this point, got injured, was told they needed her to play because another player was hurt and they played her with 4 severed ligaments (she had no idea the damage in her ankle as UO did not disclose it). Then at the end of the season was told to transfer because her stats weren’t good enough. She was basically playing with one foot. Knowing that no one would take her due to her upcoming surgery and lengthy recovery, she did not enter the portal. She was then approved by UO for a redshirt year. She had surgery and returned to practice and that is when Ulmer started telling her she should medically retire. NEITHER SURGEON EVER TOLD HER SHE NEEDED TO MEDICALLY RETIRE - Matt wanted her to medically retire because like he said “this is how we get the money back” and if you don’t MR then we don’t want you in the gym. The Pac-12 intervened the attempt to force Williams to MR and called and told UO that she is not eligible to medically retire. Taylor never asked for an investigation - that was something the UO initiated when they heard Taylor’s story. And then the UO hires an ex general counsel employee to run an “independent” investigation. All the while, Taylor is told not to go into the gym while the investigation is taking place. Taylor lost everything - her team, her “friends”, the opportunity to play the sport she loves and 2 years of elegibility. She is the victim in this situation and for you to elude otherwise is disgraceful. Someone in your position should have more empathy for injured players and how terrible it is for these young athletes. A significant injury is bad enough but to have your coaches turn against you and to have comments such as yours, just proves how toxic this environment was for Taylor. Comments like yours are disgusting. Sock puppet falling away here.
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Post by simpleton on Jun 29, 2023 7:47:14 GMT -5
Excited for the upcoming season. Will be fun to watch to see if this team can build upon the success of last year. Now that the schedule is out, before completely moving on to the 2023 season, it feels fitting to give one final kudos to last year’s team - Elite 8 and took a swing to go to the Final 4. Big respect to that team and their desire to compete, willingness to do the hard work day in and day out all season long, and to put in all the time, tears and effort to get through injuries so they could stay on or get back on the court for their teammates. I recall seeing the post about the celebration in the locker room with the whole team and the coaches after the win against Nebraska. Pure joy, and love of team. It’s hard to get to that point and you could tell how much it meant to that whole group. You could see they appreciated what they had accomplished and the discipline and sacrifices it took to get there. Kudos!
Now, on to 2023 and the hope they can run it back and hopefully, not stop at 8 this time.
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Post by veritas on Jun 30, 2023 15:37:56 GMT -5
There is so much more to this article that was watered down. Perhaps soon, I'll fill you in.
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Post by veritas on Jun 30, 2023 15:46:22 GMT -5
Bottom line is that Ulmer tried to force this player out so that he could give a scholarship to someone else. The article mentions a recording of that meeting right?
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Post by veritas on Jun 30, 2023 15:49:09 GMT -5
Looks like we dodged a bullet by not entertaining Oregon! My daughter had heard some things about this coach and it looks like she was right! I imagine there will be other things that come to light soon! Are you sure about this current Oregon head coach? Could’ve been the previous one she was talking about What an absolute ridiculous thing to say....
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Post by babybacksets on Jun 30, 2023 21:05:18 GMT -5
This article is disappointing reading from someone that knows quite a bit. It shows her as a victim and that is really far from the truth. Lots that will be left unreported…oh well… I guess they can’t get the other side because they are all gagged by being a public institution. But just bad reporting…honestly UO has a medical staff and coaches that are more protective of their injured athletes than about any program I have seen. I guess papers like any type of scoop that will gain attention as we know print and electronic reporting are struggling financially. Just sad. The fact that you know ANYTHING about this situation means that both FERPA and HIPAA laws may have been violated. It’s so disappointing that you state that Williams is not the victim. She worked her entire life to get to this point, got injured, was told they needed her to play because another player was hurt and they played her with 4 severed ligaments (she had no idea the damage in her ankle as UO did not disclose it). Then at the end of the season was told to transfer because her stats weren’t good enough. She was basically playing with one foot. Knowing that no one would take her due to her upcoming surgery and lengthy recovery, she did not enter the portal. She was then approved by UO for a redshirt year. She had surgery and returned to practice and that is when Ulmer started telling her she should medically retire. NEITHER SURGEON EVER TOLD HER SHE NEEDED TO MEDICALLY RETIRE - Matt wanted her to medically retire because like he said “this is how we get the money back” and if you don’t MR then we don’t want you in the gym. The Pac-12 intervened the attempt to force Williams to MR and called and told UO that she is not eligible to medically retire. Taylor never asked for an investigation - that was something the UO initiated when they heard Taylor’s story. And then the UO hires an ex general counsel employee to run an “independent” investigation. All the while, Taylor is told not to go into the gym while the investigation is taking place. Taylor lost everything - her team, her “friends”, the opportunity to play the sport she loves and 2 years of elegibility. She is the victim in this situation and for you to elude otherwise is disgraceful. Someone in your position should have more empathy for injured players and how terrible it is for these young athletes. A significant injury is bad enough but to have your coaches turn against you and to have comments such as yours, just proves how toxic this environment was for Taylor. Comments like yours are disgusting. So there’s zero possibility that she was being stubborn even with the writing being very obviously on the wall? Like I know is a very unfortunate side to take but it’s still one of them…
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jun 30, 2023 21:22:50 GMT -5
The fact that you know ANYTHING about this situation means that both FERPA and HIPAA laws may have been violated. It’s so disappointing that you state that Williams is not the victim. She worked her entire life to get to this point, got injured, was told they needed her to play because another player was hurt and they played her with 4 severed ligaments (she had no idea the damage in her ankle as UO did not disclose it). Then at the end of the season was told to transfer because her stats weren’t good enough. She was basically playing with one foot. Knowing that no one would take her due to her upcoming surgery and lengthy recovery, she did not enter the portal. She was then approved by UO for a redshirt year. She had surgery and returned to practice and that is when Ulmer started telling her she should medically retire. NEITHER SURGEON EVER TOLD HER SHE NEEDED TO MEDICALLY RETIRE - Matt wanted her to medically retire because like he said “this is how we get the money back” and if you don’t MR then we don’t want you in the gym. The Pac-12 intervened the attempt to force Williams to MR and called and told UO that she is not eligible to medically retire. Taylor never asked for an investigation - that was something the UO initiated when they heard Taylor’s story. And then the UO hires an ex general counsel employee to run an “independent” investigation. All the while, Taylor is told not to go into the gym while the investigation is taking place. Taylor lost everything - her team, her “friends”, the opportunity to play the sport she loves and 2 years of elegibility. She is the victim in this situation and for you to elude otherwise is disgraceful. Someone in your position should have more empathy for injured players and how terrible it is for these young athletes. A significant injury is bad enough but to have your coaches turn against you and to have comments such as yours, just proves how toxic this environment was for Taylor. Comments like yours are disgusting. So there’s zero possibility that she was being stubborn even with the writing being very obviously on the wall? Like I know is a very unfortunate side to take but it’s still one of them… The "allegations" don't even make sense. It can't be true that it was inappropriate/incorrect to ask her to medically retire, but that she was also too injured to use her two years of eligibility somewhere else, when she was completely free and able to enter the portal and play somewhere else. This player kept her scholarship for four years, including one full season when she blew off team activities and participation completely. The player is complaining because a fifth year, a second consecutive one completely away from that team, was not paid for on scholarship. And that's just the structural stuff, without even getting into the details.
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Post by babybacksets on Jul 1, 2023 2:19:47 GMT -5
So there’s zero possibility that she was being stubborn even with the writing being very obviously on the wall? Like I know is a very unfortunate side to take but it’s still one of them… The "allegations" don't even make sense. It can't be true that it was inappropriate/incorrect to ask her to medically retire, but that she was also too injured to use her two years of eligibility somewhere else, when she was completely free and able to enter the portal and play somewhere else. This player kept her scholarship for four years, including one full season when she blew off team activities and participation completely. The player is complaining because a fifth year, a second consecutive one completely away from that team, was not paid for on scholarship. And that's just the structural stuff, without even getting into the details. I think my eyebrow raised when I read that she wasn’t disclosing how much pain medication she was taking to anyone because then how else would anyone know how bad YOU felt? Like sometimes physicians/tests miss things but I think you disclosing how much the pain was would make a difference. Also I’m sorry but “I didn’t want to medically retire because it would be hard to have a doctor reverse the diagnosis” also flagged for me because that doesn’t make sense. If you haven’t spoken to every doctor in the country and you haven’t started serious steps towards recovery, how on earth would you know? I want to give her the benefit of the doubt but there is no way you’re just so hell bent on playing on only one team in the entire country that you don’t go through proper avenues to get healthy, so you can see if that’s a possibility within a year post recovery, or recover and then find a different school, like it just doesn’t make sense
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Post by jengal on Jul 1, 2023 15:34:27 GMT -5
I don’t think the Ducks did an out of the country tours.. As for the lineups, this is my prediction: Colyer, Gonzales, McGhee, Bacon, Lewis, Pukis, Murphy. I believe Ofoegbu is redshirting this year. Yes, this is most likely the starting lineup in my opinion too. If an OH or OPP is struggling, freshmen are next in. Lewis may be the most at risk. Gonzalez is probably one of the better passers for OH on the team (not knowing much about the freshman).
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Post by JJVb on Jul 1, 2023 16:01:43 GMT -5
Roster refresh:
OH: Colyer, Gonzales, Acevedo, Kelley, Patterson, Gregoire (also DS), Gamache OPP: Lewis, Gloever S: Pukis, Ferreira, Cline MB: Bacon, McGhee, Neal, Ofoegbu L/DS: Murphy, McClellan, De los Reyes, Thibault.
Acevedo, Kelley, and Gloever will be itching to steal a pin spot.
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Post by JJVb on Jul 1, 2023 16:03:36 GMT -5
Yes, this is most likely the starting lineup in my opinion too. If an OH or OPP is struggling, freshmen are next in. Lewis may be the most at risk. Gonzalez is probably one of the better passers for OH on the team (not knowing much about the freshman). Acevedo, Gregoire are also great passers. I think the only lock to start and keep her spot is Colyer. Other spots could see some movement throughout the season.
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Post by jengal on Jul 1, 2023 16:07:17 GMT -5
Lewis may be the most at risk. Gonzalez is probably one of the better passers for OH on the team (not knowing much about the freshman). Acevedo, Gregoire are also great passers. I think the only lock to start and keep her spot is Colyer. Other spots could see some movement throughout the season. That’s good; the Ducks will certainly miss Brooke for many reasons, but I think the biggest area will be her passing and defense. Whichever OH can contribute the best in these areas should be on the floor.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jul 1, 2023 22:26:54 GMT -5
Yes, this is most likely the starting lineup in my opinion too. If an OH or OPP is struggling, freshmen are next in. Lewis may be the most at risk. Gonzalez is probably one of the better passers for OH on the team (not knowing much about the freshman). I"m really excited for Lewis' senior year. They won't be expecting the opp to pass at all, so that won't be at issue. The passing may come into play for the L2 battle. Gonzales for sure has the experience and big moments edge, but the young ones are really talented!
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