|
|
Hooker
Apr 19, 2015 14:37:09 GMT -5
Post by volleyguy on Apr 19, 2015 14:37:09 GMT -5
They don't need Hooker to win the gold medal in Rio. The team is beginning to take shape now. Remember, it took Hugh roughly 1.5 or 2 yrs to build the team into #1 team. The current team is doing fine w/o Hooker. Teams usually win w/o a cancer. Look at the Russians . The Russians are big , tall and powerful but they are not a team. They are fractured but the coach can't make changes My fav baseball team won 3 WS rings w/o the biggest cancer ever, Mt Barry Bonds. Bonds was a great great player but he ain't a team player. He is for himself. If Bonds was a team player, he would do what other players did like exercising, warming up or taking team pictures. Forget Hooker because she is goner. If other players don't stand up for her, you know she is a problem child. Btw, Karch would be fired in a new york minute if other players file protest with Doug Beal but they have not and never will. Players can get coaches fired and they know it. Tom Sermanni of USWNT got fired when the players complained to US Soccer Federation. New players are coming in. The pool is looking good. So the fact that Bonds didn't exercise, warm up or take team pictures is the reason they didn't win the World Series with him? Hilarious. In a new york minute? Beale intended for Karch to be the coach a long time ago. He's invested, and he's not going to fire him unless the wheels come off and he completely loses faith. That is perhaps as it should be, and it's not likely to happen anyway. USA was ranked second in the world after the 2008 Games. We fell to 4th in 2009 or 2010 after a change in the way points were weighted. We rose to #1 on the strength of the 2011 World Cup finish (and Brazil's very poor showing). Who was awarded the best point scorer in that World Cup. You guessed it. |
|
mrad
Sophomore
Posts: 208
|
Hooker
Apr 19, 2015 14:44:55 GMT -5
Post by mrad on Apr 19, 2015 14:44:55 GMT -5
They don't need Hooker to win the gold medal in Rio. The team is beginning to take shape now. Remember, it took Hugh roughly 1.5 or 2 yrs to build the team into #1 team. The current team is doing fine w/o Hooker. Teams usually win w/o a cancer. Look at the Russians . The Russians are big , tall and powerful but they are not a team. They are fractured but the coach can't make changes My fav baseball team won 3 WS rings w/o the biggest cancer ever, Mt Barry Bonds. Bonds was a great great player but he ain't a team player. He is for himself. If Bonds was a team player, he would do what other players did like exercising, warming up or taking team pictures. Forget Hooker because she is goner. If other players don't stand up for her, you know she is a problem child. Btw, Karch would be fired in a new york minute if other players file protest with Doug Beal but they have not and never will. Players can get coaches fired and they know it. Tom Sermanni of USWNT got fired when the players complained to US Soccer Federation. New players are coming in. The pool is looking good. So the fact that Bonds didn't exercise, warm up or take team pictures is the reason they didn't win the World Series with him? Hilarious. In a new york minute? Beale intended for Karch to be the coach a long time ago. He's invested, and he's not going to fire him unless the wheels come off and he completely loses faith. That is perhaps as it should be, and it's not likely to happen anyway. USA was ranked second in the world after the 2008 Games. We fell to 4th in 2009 or 2010 after a change in the way points were weighted. We rose to #1 on the strength of the 2011 World Cup finish (and Brazil's very poor showing). Who was awarded the best point scorer in that World Cup. You guessed it. You obviously don't know sh#t about the Giants so better you do not comment. So what if Hooker was the best OPP in the whole world. So what. Beal has to fire Karch if other players protest but they have not. Are you telling me that Beal will not fire Karch if other players refuse to play for the national team ? |
|
|
|
Hooker
Apr 19, 2015 15:05:09 GMT -5
Post by guest2 on Apr 19, 2015 15:05:09 GMT -5
or he can't manage personalities as a coach that's why he doesn't want logan back either having said he wants to go with a younger group as an excuse. let's face it he was willing to let hooker and tom go not because of some rule (hooker) but because of his insecurities and inability to manage players. also it's disturbing how much hate you have for destinee. there's something seriously not right. have you read your posts? you even make up stuff about her. it's pretty sick. Its disturbing how many excuses you have for Destinee and how have painted a highly respected coach to be a crazy, ego driven, insecure, man. Shame on you. I have watched both play many times I have observed how both handle victory and the press. I know who I believe and who I don't. Now that you haven't managed to make me believe that Karch is at fault, now you are going to accuse me of hating and making up stuff about a player? Are you playing with a full deck? Have you observed how Karch handled failure? Because he was notoriously poor at that. (I don't think being a sore loser is a problem though) Even Karch handling victory is not exactly perfect. Cursing out the Brazilians after sending them home at the Olympics stands out. Many people, including some that knew him best, have claimed Karch was ego driven and insecure. "I made a noise that KK interpreted as a critique of his play . . .after the game KK came up to me and said in so many words "did you criticize my play cause you missed this play and this play..." And basically proceeded to point out every opportunity I blew. It was very challenging to manage him emotionally which is why I think some had trouble succeeding with him." Kent Steffes |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Hooker
Apr 19, 2015 15:10:48 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 15:10:48 GMT -5
The rule he created specifically for Destinee and applied to no one else and no other situation? Yeah he should've. By the way, do you even know what the rule was that he created? Do you? Who shared the informationt with you. Is this directly from Karch or Destinee or on this forum? Are you close personal friends with Destinee? I do know what the rule was, because the only way to form an educated opinion on the situation is to understand the situation, which you clearly don't. I don't need to be Destinee's close, personal friend to know details about Karch's decision to exclude her and Tom. You've failed to answer any question I've asked you, so I'll be done. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Hooker
Apr 19, 2015 15:11:56 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 15:11:56 GMT -5
Come on, now. We're not talking about the secret recipe for Kentucky Fried Chicken. Understanding the rule involved should be a consideration. I respect your loyalty, but blind allegiance to someone or something and an unwillingness to consider other possibilities isn't really the same thing as integrity. I don't even know Karch. I respect him however because of his track record both on and off the court. You make it sound like I have blind loyalty and to me its common sense and trusting a seasoned coach who has earned his accolades and respect. Its that simple. I also don't think that you experts on volleytalk know exactly what happened and neither do I. Seasoned coach? |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Hooker
Apr 19, 2015 15:13:27 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 15:13:27 GMT -5
or he can't manage personalities as a coach that's why he doesn't want logan back either having said he wants to go with a younger group as an excuse. let's face it he was willing to let hooker and tom go not because of some rule (hooker) but because of his insecurities and inability to manage players. also it's disturbing how much hate you have for destinee. there's something seriously not right. have you read your posts? you even make up stuff about her. it's pretty sick. Its disturbing how many excuses you have for Destinee and how have painted a highly respected coach to be a crazy, ego driven, insecure, man. Shame on you. I have watched both play many times I have observed how both handle victory and the press. I know who I believe and who I don't. Now that you haven't managed to make me believe that Karch is at fault, now you are going to accuse me of hating and making up stuff about a player? Are you playing with a full deck? I'm actually not sure if you're kidding or not. This argument is so poorly formed and supported that this has to be a joke, right? Tell me you're pulling our leg. You're better than this, aren't you? |
|
|
|
Hooker
Apr 19, 2015 15:19:11 GMT -5
Post by volleyguy on Apr 19, 2015 15:19:11 GMT -5
So the fact that Bonds didn't exercise, warm up or take team pictures is the reason they didn't win the World Series with him? Hilarious. In a new york minute? Beale intended for Karch to be the coach a long time ago. He's invested, and he's not going to fire him unless the wheels come off and he completely loses faith. That is perhaps as it should be, and it's not likely to happen anyway. USA was ranked second in the world after the 2008 Games. We fell to 4th in 2009 or 2010 after a change in the way points were weighted. We rose to #1 on the strength of the 2011 World Cup finish (and Brazil's very poor showing). Who was awarded the best point scorer in that World Cup. You guessed it. You obviously don't know sh#t about the Giants so better you do not comment. So what if Hooker was the best OPP in the whole world. So what. Beal has to fire Karch if other players protest but they have not. Are you telling me that Beal will not fire Karch if other players refuse to play for the national team ? I'm a Dodger fan, so I know more about the Giants than I care to. You're expecting players to possibly give up their chance to fulfill their dreams by protesting? Would your daughter even think of doing that? |
|
|
|
Hooker
Apr 19, 2015 15:19:12 GMT -5
Post by guest2 on Apr 19, 2015 15:19:12 GMT -5
This is the crux of your position, but also completely off. You give credit to Karch for taking interest in growing the game. Guess what? Destinee does the same thing and has inspired hundreds of young girls through her accessibility and outreach. You're saying Karch's poor behavior is dismissed because he reached out to you, denying the fact (not even possibility) that Destinee has done the same, when whatever "attitude" you say she has is nowhere near as bad as Karch's. Karch was an A-grade jerk on the court and not anyone you would want serving as your "ambassador" of the sport. Your refusal to acknowledge that speaks volumes. But thank god Karch wasn't coaching the team back then because we wouldn't have won any golds if he were kicked off the team. Are you guys slow. It was an example of his determination and character toward fans. I am sure he sent dozens of those each day out to volleyball wannabe's like I was at the time. What did he have to gain by this? Nothing. Why is it so difficult for you people to read between the lines? If a guy in his prime is willing to do this for the betterment of the sport, when its really no benefit whatsoever to him, that tells me alot about his love of the sport and his character. Are you finally getting my drift ? Grade A jerk on the court? I watched several USA games and never saw any evidence of that but I sure saw attitude and ego in Destinee when she played. Waste time on someone else with this sorry argument. Destinee an example to young girls? Just because you are incredible at your sport does not make you an example. That requires other things like sportsmanship, getting along with teammates, work ethic, and respect. Never seen evidence? Ok here is some (at 59:00) Watch after he pulls the net down, Karch is not apologetic, or "Ohmigod I didnt mean to do that, he walks around cursing) (41:10 and elsewhere) Steffes also cited Kiraly trying to intimidate referees. In addition the idea that Karch was a tireless promoter of the sport simply isnt true. Sinjin was. Here is another Steffes quote about Karch: "And just another FYI, after I would win a tournament, my partner would bail immediately after the final point in order to get to the airport and I would have to do the post game interview, media and the awards ceremony by myself "Hey Cleveland, you guys are the best fans!" (FYI all the fans at every city were great). The AVP had to make a rule that the winning team was required to stay after to do the media and the awards ceremony. You would think that would be obvious to an athlete." |
|
|
|
Hooker
Apr 19, 2015 16:47:38 GMT -5
Post by holidayhusker on Apr 19, 2015 16:47:38 GMT -5
They don't need Hooker to win the gold medal in Rio. The team is beginning to take shape now. Remember, it took Hugh roughly 1.5 or 2 yrs to build the team into #1 team. The current team is doing fine w/o Hooker. Teams usually win w/o a cancer. Look at the Russians . The Russians are big , tall and powerful but they are not a team. They are fractured but the coach can't make changes My fav baseball team won 3 WS rings w/o the biggest cancer ever, Mt Barry Bonds. Bonds was a great great player but he ain't a team player. He is for himself. If Bonds was a team player, he would do what other players did like exercising, warming up or taking team pictures. Forget Hooker because she is goner. If other players don't stand up for her, you know she is a problem child. Btw, Karch would be fired in a new york minute if other players file protest with Doug Beal but they have not and never will. Players can get coaches fired and they know it. Tom Sermanni of USWNT got fired when the players complained to US Soccer Federation. New players are coming in. The pool is looking good. You are far too insightful to be on this thread. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Hooker
Apr 19, 2015 16:49:46 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 16:49:46 GMT -5
They don't need Hooker to win the gold medal in Rio. The team is beginning to take shape now. Remember, it took Hugh roughly 1.5 or 2 yrs to build the team into #1 team. The current team is doing fine w/o Hooker. Teams usually win w/o a cancer. Look at the Russians . The Russians are big , tall and powerful but they are not a team. They are fractured but the coach can't make changes My fav baseball team won 3 WS rings w/o the biggest cancer ever, Mt Barry Bonds. Bonds was a great great player but he ain't a team player. He is for himself. If Bonds was a team player, he would do what other players did like exercising, warming up or taking team pictures. Forget Hooker because she is goner. If other players don't stand up for her, you know she is a problem child. Btw, Karch would be fired in a new york minute if other players file protest with Doug Beal but they have not and never will. Players can get coaches fired and they know it. Tom Sermanni of USWNT got fired when the players complained to US Soccer Federation. New players are coming in. The pool is looking good. You are far too insightful to be on this thread. It's funny because you consider that to be insight. |
|
|
|
Hooker
Apr 19, 2015 16:50:02 GMT -5
C likes this
Post by holidayhusker on Apr 19, 2015 16:50:02 GMT -5
Its disturbing how many excuses you have for Destinee and how have painted a highly respected coach to be a crazy, ego driven, insecure, man. Shame on you. I have watched both play many times I have observed how both handle victory and the press. I know who I believe and who I don't. Now that you haven't managed to make me believe that Karch is at fault, now you are going to accuse me of hating and making up stuff about a player? Are you playing with a full deck? I'm actually not sure if you're kidding or not. This argument is so poorly formed and supported that this has to be a joke, right? Tell me you're pulling our leg. You're better than this, aren't you? If its a joke I will let you know...now shhhhhhhhhh! |
|
|
|
Hooker
Apr 19, 2015 16:51:38 GMT -5
Post by holidayhusker on Apr 19, 2015 16:51:38 GMT -5
You are far too insightful to be on this thread. It's funny because you consider that to be insight. and logical. |
|
|
|
Hooker
Apr 19, 2015 16:57:13 GMT -5
C likes this
Post by holidayhusker on Apr 19, 2015 16:57:13 GMT -5
Are you guys slow. It was an example of his determination and character toward fans. I am sure he sent dozens of those each day out to volleyball wannabe's like I was at the time. What did he have to gain by this? Nothing. Why is it so difficult for you people to read between the lines? If a guy in his prime is willing to do this for the betterment of the sport, when its really no benefit whatsoever to him, that tells me alot about his love of the sport and his character. Are you finally getting my drift ? Grade A jerk on the court? I watched several USA games and never saw any evidence of that but I sure saw attitude and ego in Destinee when she played. Waste time on someone else with this sorry argument. Destinee an example to young girls? Just because you are incredible at your sport does not make you an example. That requires other things like sportsmanship, getting along with teammates, work ethic, and respect. Never seen evidence? Ok here is some (at 59:00) Watch after he pulls the net down, Karch is not apologetic, or "Ohmigod I didnt mean to do that, he walks around cursing) (41:10 and elsewhere) Steffes also cited Kiraly trying to intimidate referees. In addition the idea that Karch was a tireless promoter of the sport simply isnt true. Sinjin was. Here is another Steffes quote about Karch: "And just another FYI, after I would win a tournament, my partner would bail immediately after the final point in order to get to the airport and I would have to do the post game interview, media and the awards ceremony by myself "Hey Cleveland, you guys are the best fans!" (FYI all the fans at every city were great). The AVP had to make a rule that the winning team was required to stay after to do the media and the awards ceremony. You would think that would be obvious to an athlete." Thanks for the memories....Loved Stoklos and Smith. Watched them in Boulder Co. Amazing. |
|
|
|
Hooker
Apr 19, 2015 17:03:21 GMT -5
Post by vup on Apr 19, 2015 17:03:21 GMT -5
Are you guys slow. It was an example of his determination and character toward fans. I am sure he sent dozens of those each day out to volleyball wannabe's like I was at the time. What did he have to gain by this? Nothing. Why is it so difficult for you people to read between the lines? If a guy in his prime is willing to do this for the betterment of the sport, when its really no benefit whatsoever to him, that tells me alot about his love of the sport and his character. Are you finally getting my drift ? Grade A jerk on the court? I watched several USA games and never saw any evidence of that but I sure saw attitude and ego in Destinee when she played. Waste time on someone else with this sorry argument. Destinee an example to young girls? Just because you are incredible at your sport does not make you an example. That requires other things like sportsmanship, getting along with teammates, work ethic, and respect. Never seen evidence? Ok here is some (at 59:00) Watch after he pulls the net down, Karch is not apologetic, or "Ohmigod I didnt mean to do that, he walks around cursing) (41:10 and elsewhere) Steffes also cited Kiraly trying to intimidate referees. In addition the idea that Karch was a tireless promoter of the sport simply isnt true. Sinjin was. Here is another Steffes quote about Karch: "And just another FYI, after I would win a tournament, my partner would bail immediately after the final point in order to get to the airport and I would have to do the post game interview, media and the awards ceremony by myself "Hey Cleveland, you guys are the best fans!" (FYI all the fans at every city were great). The AVP had to make a rule that the winning team was required to stay after to do the media and the awards ceremony. You would think that would be obvious to an athlete." wowowowow that is a side of Karch I've never seen. Destinee can be sarcastic and immature sometimes, but Karch is straight up scary... This makes me feel like the Destinee/Karch feud is on a personal level, or else why wouldn't he be more empathetic of Destinee? It's not fair to Destinee, it's not fair to USA Volleyball fans, and it's not fair to the sport of volleyball. Destinee is the most entertaining player in the world!!! |
|
|
|
Hooker
Apr 19, 2015 17:07:50 GMT -5
Post by volleyguy on Apr 19, 2015 17:07:50 GMT -5
It's funny because you consider that to be insight. and logical. I think you boxed yourself in when you based your entire faith in everything Karch does on a gesture he made and his success viewed from afar. It's reasonable to give him the benefit of the doubt and to still admire him even as the mere mortal that he is, but to have no doubt and to overlook obvious contradictions to your conclusions seems a bit overboard and intransigent. |
|
