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Post by bkedane on Apr 20, 2015 19:55:29 GMT -5
LOL...I have never heard of blaming a player before the match. Once you've played volleyball for enough years you learn quickly who the best setters are. Is Plum still the best American setter? |
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Apr 20, 2015 19:55:57 GMT -5
Post by BeiBei on Apr 20, 2015 19:55:57 GMT -5
I have no idea how you can look Heather Bown in the face after everything she did during that quad with that young group and tell her that she's not making the Olympic roster. No idea. it came down to Bown and Scott for the last MB spot. It will not be easy to look Scott in the face and say the same thing. I prefer Bown over Scott but I am not the decision maker |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 20:00:51 GMT -5
I have no idea how you can look Heather Bown in the face after everything she did during that quad with that young group and tell her that she's not making the Olympic roster. No idea. it came down to Bown and Scott for the last MB spot. It will not be easy to look Scott in the face and say the same thing. I prefer Bown over Scott but I am not the decision maker I know that the staff decided to choose between those two athletes for the third middle spot. That was the issue. |
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Apr 20, 2015 20:53:36 GMT -5
Post by kokyu on Apr 20, 2015 20:53:36 GMT -5
Once you've played volleyball for enough years you learn quickly who the best setters are. Is Plum still the best American setter? Afraid so. |
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Post by dorothymantooth on Apr 20, 2015 21:10:40 GMT -5
Is Plum still the best American setter? Afraid so. Afraid would be the appropriate word if indeed she is. |
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Apr 20, 2015 21:46:26 GMT -5
Post by kokyu on Apr 20, 2015 21:46:26 GMT -5
Yeah Hooker, Tom, Plum, list of first tier players snubbed off the team is deplorable.
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Apr 20, 2015 22:56:35 GMT -5
Post by kc8413 on Apr 20, 2015 22:56:35 GMT -5
Yes, that too! I wouldn't characterize either Heather or Dani as vocal leaders, but Dani's relationships and influence with Logan, Tayyiba, Destinee, Foluke and to a lesser degree Glass are often over-looked. It didn't necessarily show in the final match, but I can at least understand the choice between Heather and Dani. I don't necessarily believe that the choice should've been between Bown and Scott-Arruda. Harmotto had a very, very poor tournament (due to a lingering injury?). Yea if Harmotto played even 80% like how she was playing during the WGP before the Olympics, she would've been huge in the Olympics. She wasn't nearly as effective -almost as if she had peaked too early. I think the MH position will be a battle as Harmotto, although one of the best when she's not injured, is often battling injuries. I only see Foluke as a lock, and even then, I've seen a decline in her game. |
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 20, 2015 22:56:59 GMT -5
Yes, that too! I wouldn't characterize either Heather or Dani as vocal leaders, but Dani's relationships and influence with Logan, Tayyiba, Destinee, Foluke and to a lesser degree Glass are often over-looked. It didn't necessarily show in the final match, but I can at least understand the choice between Heather and Dani. I don't necessarily believe that the choice should've been between Bown and Scott-Arruda. Harmotto had a very, very poor tournament (due to a lingering injury?). Ok, now I understand where you were coming from. I hadn't considered that possibility because it's probably considered heresy in at least 49 states and the territories, but it's very likely the right assessment. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 23:06:10 GMT -5
I don't necessarily believe that the choice should've been between Bown and Scott-Arruda. Harmotto had a very, very poor tournament (due to a lingering injury?). Ok, now I understand where you were coming from. I hadn't considered that possibility because it's probably considered heresy in at least 49 states and the territories, but it's very likely the right assessment. Yeah. Check out the boxscores from London. Really poor numbers in every category from the M1 on the #1 team in the world, which is why I assume that Scott-Arruda was used off the bench so often. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 23:08:12 GMT -5
I don't necessarily believe that the choice should've been between Bown and Scott-Arruda. Harmotto had a very, very poor tournament (due to a lingering injury?). Yea if Harmotto played even 80% like how she was playing during the WGP before the Olympics, she would've been huge in the Olympics. She wasn't nearly as effective -almost as if she had peaked too early. I think the MH position will be a battle as Harmotto, although one of the best when she's not injured, is often battling injuries. I only see Foluke as a lock, and even then, I've seen a decline in her game. She didn't peak too early... She hadn't peaked at all yet. She came out of nowhere in the pro season before the 2012 summer, and played very well in the 2012 WGP, but I don't think she was "peaking" at all... She was still pretty unknown at that point, having not made a major tournament travel roster in the entire quad before that summer. |
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Post by kc8413 on Apr 20, 2015 23:17:39 GMT -5
Yea if Harmotto played even 80% like how she was playing during the WGP before the Olympics, she would've been huge in the Olympics. She wasn't nearly as effective -almost as if she had peaked too early. I think the MH position will be a battle as Harmotto, although one of the best when she's not injured, is often battling injuries. I only see Foluke as a lock, and even then, I've seen a decline in her game. She didn't peak too early... She hadn't peaked at all yet. She came out of nowhere in the pro season before the 2012 summer, and played very well in the 2012 WGP, but I don't think she was "peaking" at all... She was still pretty unknown at that point, having not made a major tournament travel roster in the entire quad before that summer. It rubs me the wrong way when someone like Harmotto talks about the disappointment of not winning gold. She's talked about how after losing the gold medal match, she thought something fundamentally had to change for them to win gold. All I could think about was, that was your first Olympics. Can you imagine how Logan (4 Olympics = 16+ years with the National Team) and Arruda (5 Olympics = 20+ years) must have felt? I'm sure when she talks about "team chemistry" that this quad has, she doesn't mean it as a jab to previous quads, but I always feel strange and angry when I read those articles. USA volleyball players before this quad helped get USA volleyball to where it is today. I don't think this quad is any more special than previous ones. For them to say that they're changing something about how USA volleyball is done, I feel they're lessening the contributions previous players gave. Late night rant. |
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Post by nativevolley on Apr 21, 2015 0:00:16 GMT -5
I don't necessarily believe that the choice should've been between Bown and Scott-Arruda. Harmotto had a very, very poor tournament (due to a lingering injury?). Yea if Harmotto played even 80% like how she was playing during the WGP before the Olympics, she would've been huge in the Olympics. She wasn't nearly as effective -almost as if she had peaked too early. I think the MH position will be a battle as Harmotto, although one of the best when she's not injured, is often battling injuries. I only see Foluke as a lock, and even then, I've seen a decline in her game. The only "decline" I see in her game is a setter that can connect with her. Yeah... she had her moments with setters, but that isn't enough. Hell... If Tomkom were to get U.S citizenship. I would be all game. But for real. Foluke is not declining... The setter is...    |
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Post by BeiBei on Apr 21, 2015 0:14:48 GMT -5
But for real. Foluke is not declining... The setter is... I really do not understand why Foluke and Glass connection got worse over the years. Foluke won MVP and Glass was best setter when they first team up at the 2010 (?) Grand Prix |
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Post by ballervolley on Apr 21, 2015 0:20:02 GMT -5
Mmmm, that's a tough one. No question about Heather as a team-mate, absolutely none. Telling Glass must have/should have been just as hard, if not harder. And Danielle's selection at least had some basis in actual skills, but a double-sub? Miyashiro as the serving sub was the biggest mistake. +1000000000000000 especially because bown was an aswesome server, but 100 on this one |
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Post by nativevolley on Apr 21, 2015 0:27:59 GMT -5
But for real. Foluke is not declining... The setter is... I really do not understand why Foluke and Glass connection got worse over the years. Foluke won MVP and Glass was best setter when they first team up at the 2010 (?) Grand Prix I ask myself the same thing. The 2010 Grand prix preliminary match against China was probably Glass's best setting match. Everything was crisp and precise. Of course the whole tournament was but if she could keep that caliber. It would have been great. |
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