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Post by stevek on Aug 10, 2015 14:56:08 GMT -5
I had the same question Guest when I heard but did not get a clear answer. The fact they did not come to St. Pete FIVB when they were "hot" and other Italian teams did adds some validity to the rumor particularly since the qualifier was not a loaded one... They are registered for Long Beach, so we should have the Visa question answered in the next week or so.
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Post by klazk on Aug 10, 2015 16:01:24 GMT -5
Unlikely to get there as a top 8 team. So it would probably have to be as one of the two wildcards. I know there is probably more politics, but it would be smart to give it to Adrian. He'd bring a ton of fans out. Who knows. Possibilities: Dalhausser/Lucena - 2 Florida players and US will only get 1 team max in by being in top 8 unless Hyden/Bourne go podium/podium the next 2 events. Samoilovs/Smedins - They've only played 4 FIVB events this year because of injuries (including a silver in Gstaad). They also won the CEV championship. If they do well in the next 2 slams, I could see it. Ranghieri/Carumbula - for fan appeal as you stated. Whoever the #9 and #10 teams are in the rankings I'm sure there could be another team due to sponsors or politics, but the three specific teams above are the only ones I can think of that make any sense other than just going #9 and #10. One other possibility is that Gibb/Patterson don't do well in the next 2 slams and fall out of the top 8 (more possible than we would probably like to admit). Then I think they would still get a WC since the host country gets one team and I don't think you could argue Dalhausser/Lucena over them unless they get a couple podiums in Long Beach and Poland or something like that.
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Post by digdugg on Aug 11, 2015 10:56:09 GMT -5
I know there is probably more politics, but it would be smart to give it to Adrian. He'd bring a ton of fans out. One other possibility is that Gibb/Patterson don't do well in the next 2 slams and fall out of the top 8 (more possible than we would probably like to admit). Then I think they would still get a WC since the host country gets one team and I don't think you could argue Dalhausser/Lucena over them unless they get a couple podiums in Long Beach and Poland or something like that. One thing to keep in mind is that RedBull is putting on the event - not sure if they have a say but related to politics, I am pretty sure they would lobby for one of their athletes (Phil) getting the wildcard and certainly bringing two Florida guys back to Ft. Lauderdale, one of which is from the location (Lucena) would be a great fan draw...
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Aug 11, 2015 12:08:21 GMT -5
Red Bull doesn't have to lobby anyone, they get to choose one of the wild cards. It would seem pretty likely they give the WC at a Florida event to a team of Florida natives that includes a Gold medalist and long-time Red Bull athlete. Another Red Bull team to keep in mind: Nicolai/Lupo, who I believe are outside the top eight. Brouwer/Meeuwsen are also Team Red Bull, but they're pretty solidly ensconced in the top eight (I think).
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Post by guest2 on Aug 11, 2015 12:37:38 GMT -5
Klazk how badly would G/P have to do?
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Post by klazk on Aug 11, 2015 12:39:49 GMT -5
Red Bull doesn't have to lobby anyone, they get to choose one of the wild cards. It would seem pretty likely they give the WC at a Florida event to a team of Florida natives that includes a Gold medalist and long-time Red Bull athlete. Another Red Bull team to keep in mind: Nicolai/Lupo, who I believe are outside the top eight. Brouwer/Meeuwsen are also Team Red Bull, but they're pretty solidly ensconced in the top eight (I think). If you take into account country quotas and teams that are no longer together (Lucena/Brunner), Nicolai/Lupo are 10th, 240 points behind the 8th ranked team. Brouwer/Meeuwsen are currently 3rd and would essentially have to not play in the next 2 events to not finish in the top eight.
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Post by klazk on Aug 11, 2015 12:52:47 GMT -5
Klazk how badly would G/P have to do? They have 3200 points and are in 6th place. So 3 teams would have to pass them. Major/Slam point differential is basically 80-120 points per place. There are 2 teams that could easily pass them just by finishing one spot above in each tournament (Herrera/Gavira with 3060 points and Saxton/Schalk with 3040 points). Then it drops to Fijalek/Prudel at 2840, Nicolai/Lupo at 2800, Binstock/Schachter at 2700, and Semenov/Krasilnikov at 2640. After that is seems like a big stretch that anyone could jump up that much in 2 events. Two 17ths would give them 3680. So that would require at least a 5th/9th from Fijalek/Prudel, a couple 5ths from Nicolai/Lupo, a 5th/top 4 from Binstock/Schachter, etc. Bottom line, if they can get at least one 9th, it is going to take a couple very strong finishes for that last team to get by them. If I were betting, I would certainly bet on them since they only have one 17th all year and the Long Beach event is on home soil. But they don't have it locked up yet. If anyone wants to play with scenarios, here are current points: www.fivb.org/EN/BeachVolleyball/WorldRanking_M.aspIt is best 10 events, but none of the top teams have more than 8 and with only 2 left in the calculation period, no one is going to get more than 10. Slam/Major points for finishes are 1st - 800 2nd - 720 3rd - 640 4th - 560 5th - 480 9th - 360 17th - 240 25th - 160
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Post by guest2 on Aug 11, 2015 14:02:00 GMT -5
Its a sad world when the no. 1 US team is in danger of being overtaken by Canada. Sorry Cam
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Post by guest2 on Aug 11, 2015 14:03:18 GMT -5
Ohmigod just re-read and saw they are in danger of being passed by both Canadian teams. Someone find Sinjin Smith and shoot him. I dont want him to see this.
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Post by klazk on Aug 11, 2015 14:07:15 GMT -5
Its a sad world when the no. 1 US team is in danger of being overtaken by Canada. Sorry Cam New North American order? May want to get comfortable with the idea. Unlike the US, all of Canada's top teams are comprised of players 30 and under with the exception of Binstock. EDIT: For clarity - I'm including the women's teams.
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Post by ReggaeDragon on Aug 13, 2015 22:19:53 GMT -5
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Post by guest2 on Aug 14, 2015 7:00:10 GMT -5
Is there some reason Adrian and his partner cant play AVP? i thought one partner had to be from the US and I assume Adrian counts because he is an AVP vet.
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Post by digdugg on Aug 14, 2015 7:42:57 GMT -5
Is there some reason Adrian and his partner cant play AVP? i thought one partner had to be from the US and I assume Adrian counts because he is an AVP vet. I remember when Casey Jennings played with Pedro a few years back but cant remember a more recent Donald Sun era example of foreign players playing domestically...I would think there would be a number of Canadians and/or fringe Brazilian players in qualifiers if so...
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Post by guest2 on Aug 14, 2015 7:44:17 GMT -5
Thats the one I thought of too
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Post by klazk on Aug 14, 2015 8:00:44 GMT -5
Thats the one I thought of too I would have to dig back in the Net Live archives (which I'm not going to spend a bunch of time doing), but I think they had to jump through a bunch of hoops to get Pedro the necessary work visa or whatever is needed to get him into that tournament. That is why I thought that tournament was the exception as opposed to the general rule of how it worked.
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