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Post by gobruins on Feb 26, 2016 7:15:37 GMT -5
What top team doesnt have a chance? IF, again IF, I understand correctly (and I'm not always the sharpest) as qualifying sits right now Nick and Phil are out. Now, I realize that chances are they will qualify, but they still have a lot of work to do, and I would arguably state that they would be the top team the US could send. Now, I understand there could be an injury, a team could suddenly slump, someone could contract the Zika virus, but I think it would be extremely sad if they fall just a few points short of qualifying and are playing at the top of their game. With all that said, I also understand there needs to be a qualifying platform, I just think it should be in country and not based on points from international tournaments….does Usain Bolt get a hall pass in to the Olympics because of his results in international events or does he have to participate in the Jamaican National Olympic Qualifiers? Man, I sound all volley and olympic with this post I don't know how they do things in Jamaica, but if Usain Bolt were an American, he would have to finish in the top 3 of the Olympic Trials, or he would be out of the Olympics. Regardless of how many gold medals he has won, or how many world records he holds.
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Post by gr8ful on Feb 26, 2016 8:26:22 GMT -5
Exactly, he has to qualify in country, not based on points he gets from international events.
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Post by klazk on Feb 28, 2016 19:11:43 GMT -5
What top team doesnt have a chance? IF, again IF, I understand correctly (and I'm not always the sharpest) as qualifying sits right now Nick and Phil are out. Now, I realize that chances are they will qualify, but they still have a lot of work to do, and I would arguably state that they would be the top team the US could send. Now, I understand there could be an injury, a team could suddenly slump, someone could contract the Zika virus, but I think it would be extremely sad if they fall just a few points short of qualifying and are playing at the top of their game. With all that said, I also understand there needs to be a qualifying platform, I just think it should be in country and not based on points from international tournaments….does Usain Bolt get a hall pass in to the Olympics because of his results in international events or does he have to participate in the Jamaican National Olympic Qualifiers? Man, I sound all volley and olympic with this post Dalhausser/Lucena will qualify barring a disastrous injury or Hyden/Bourne playing at a never before attained elite level for a prolonged period of time. Same with Walsh/Ross. And the US could have held trials if they wanted to (even something pretty close to exactly as you described). Then the only requirement would be that the teams participating in the trials all were part of the the top 6 (I think) teams in FIVB points and had a certain number of international events played during qualifying. It is some combination of USAV/USOC (likely with player input) that chose to not have trials. So, just like 2012, I think the blame for the process of qualification rests a lot more with US governing bodies than it does with an international Olympic committee or FIVB.
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Post by guest2 on Feb 29, 2016 6:05:18 GMT -5
Phil and Nick look to be averaging more points per event than any team except Bruno and Allison. Even with playing mostly Opens.
Shame that Emmanuel misses getting to play in his 18th consecutive Olympics due to the quota. Maybe he gets to be an injury replacement
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Post by gobruins on Feb 29, 2016 9:10:20 GMT -5
Phil and Nick look to be averaging more points per event than any team except Bruno and Allison. Even with playing mostly Opens. Shame that Emmanuel misses getting to play in his 18th consecutive Olympics due to the quota. Maybe he gets to be an injury replacement Is it too late for him to change his citizenship to Georgia or Qatar?
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Post by guest2 on Feb 29, 2016 10:41:01 GMT -5
Phil and Nick look to be averaging more points per event than any team except Bruno and Allison. Even with playing mostly Opens. Shame that Emmanuel misses getting to play in his 18th consecutive Olympics due to the quota. Maybe he gets to be an injury replacement Is it too late for him to change his citizenship to Georgia or Qatar? That would be perfect! I wonder if the fivb would let he and ricardo keep their points.
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Post by matty11 on Feb 29, 2016 11:09:19 GMT -5
IF, again IF, I understand correctly (and I'm not always the sharpest) as qualifying sits right now Nick and Phil are out. Now, I realize that chances are they will qualify, but they still have a lot of work to do, and I would arguably state that they would be the top team the US could send. Now, I understand there could be an injury, a team could suddenly slump, someone could contract the Zika virus, but I think it would be extremely sad if they fall just a few points short of qualifying and are playing at the top of their game. With all that said, I also understand there needs to be a qualifying platform, I just think it should be in country and not based on points from international tournaments….does Usain Bolt get a hall pass in to the Olympics because of his results in international events or does he have to participate in the Jamaican National Olympic Qualifiers? Man, I sound all volley and olympic with this post I don't know how they do things in Jamaica, but if Usain Bolt were an American, he would have to finish in the top 3 of the Olympic Trials, or he would be out of the Olympics. Regardless of how many gold medals he has won, or how many world records he holds. The issue is that you need an international qualifying platform to select which countries qualify to send teams. That being said, a TOP 15 point ranking does not qualify the TEAM. Its earns the federation a spot into the Olympic Games. Its up to the federation to determine which team to send. Federations which earn 1 or 2 spots can chose to run trials to determine which team goes but most would not take away a spot from a team that earned their way there. Now, if you look at norceca berths, two teams per country participate, together, to earn a country a spot. Then those two teams will compete against each other to see which one will go. Hope that clears some things up
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Post by guest2 on Feb 29, 2016 11:48:25 GMT -5
I don't know how they do things in Jamaica, but if Usain Bolt were an American, he would have to finish in the top 3 of the Olympic Trials, or he would be out of the Olympics. Regardless of how many gold medals he has won, or how many world records he holds. The issue is that you need an international qualifying platform to select which countries qualify to send teams. That being said, a TOP 15 point ranking does not qualify the TEAM. Its earns the federation a spot into the Olympic Games. Its up to the federation to determine which team to send. Federations which earn 1 or 2 spots can chose to run trials to determine which team goes but most would not take away a spot from a team that earned their way there. Now, if you look at norceca berths, two teams per country participate, together, to earn a country a spot. Then those two teams will compete against each other to see which one will go. Hope that clears some things up You don't need an international qualifying platform for anything. If an FIVB Grand Slam can deal with 70 teams so can the Olympics. The idea that the Olympics can only accommodate 24 teams or however many they take is silly. Build five courts and make the whole tournament single elimination. Take two teams from each country that wants to send them. The current FIVB set up is basically single elim anyway, since its very rare for top teams that are trying not to make it out of their pool. So if you have five courts and play 9-6 each day thats three days of competition (assuming under 135 teams). Even presuming international qualification was needed, it could be a couple tournaments here and there. The reason the current system exists is so the FIVB can have the World Tour and force the World's best to play on it. International competition in general is the biggest scam in sports. The World Cup for example. If that wasn't "for your country" those players would be making billions combined, because it is, FIFA makes that money instead. If Olympic qualifying points weren't at stake do you think Nick and Phil would be spending November in Doha?
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Post by wang pu on Feb 29, 2016 19:26:32 GMT -5
The issue is that you need an international qualifying platform to select which countries qualify to send teams. That being said, a TOP 15 point ranking does not qualify the TEAM. Its earns the federation a spot into the Olympic Games. Its up to the federation to determine which team to send. Federations which earn 1 or 2 spots can chose to run trials to determine which team goes but most would not take away a spot from a team that earned their way there. Now, if you look at norceca berths, two teams per country participate, together, to earn a country a spot. Then those two teams will compete against each other to see which one will go. Hope that clears some things up You don't need an international qualifying platform for anything. If an FIVB Grand Slam can deal with 70 teams so can the Olympics. The idea that the Olympics can only accommodate 24 teams or however many they take is silly. Build five courts and make the whole tournament single elimination. Take two teams from each country that wants to send them. The current FIVB set up is basically single elim anyway, since its very rare for top teams that are trying not to make it out of their pool. So if you have five courts and play 9-6 each day thats three days of competition (assuming under 135 teams). Even presuming international qualification was needed, it could be a couple tournaments here and there. The reason the current system exists is so the FIVB can have the World Tour and force the World's best to play on it. International competition in general is the biggest scam in sports. The World Cup for example. If that wasn't "for your country" those players would be making billions combined, because it is, FIFA makes that money instead. If Olympic qualifying points weren't at stake do you think Nick and Phil would be spending November in Doha? I believe, and I could be wrong, but the IOC determines the total number of athletes per sport. I think at one point Indoor had 13 roster spots, but they reduced it back to 12 when Beach was added.
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Post by matty11 on Mar 1, 2016 16:34:59 GMT -5
You don't need an international qualifying platform for anything. If an FIVB Grand Slam can deal with 70 teams so can the Olympics. The idea that the Olympics can only accommodate 24 teams or however many they take is silly. Build five courts and make the whole tournament single elimination. Take two teams from each country that wants to send them. The current FIVB set up is basically single elim anyway, since its very rare for top teams that are trying not to make it out of their pool. So if you have five courts and play 9-6 each day thats three days of competition (assuming under 135 teams). Even presuming international qualification was needed, it could be a couple tournaments here and there. The reason the current system exists is so the FIVB can have the World Tour and force the World's best to play on it. International competition in general is the biggest scam in sports. The World Cup for example. If that wasn't "for your country" those players would be making billions combined, because it is, FIFA makes that money instead. If Olympic qualifying points weren't at stake do you think Nick and Phil would be spending November in Doha? I believe, and I could be wrong, but the IOC determines the total number of athletes per sport. I think at one point Indoor had 13 roster spots, but they reduced it back to 12 when Beach was added. Doha, maybe not, but they sure as hell would be playing all the Grand Slams because thats where the money is. 7 AVP events at 25K split don't really add up to a living. As for letting anyone and everyone in, sure works for me, but that defeats the purpose of having to earn your way into one of the biggest athletic accomplishments for most.
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Post by beavis on Mar 4, 2016 0:28:19 GMT -5
OK, quick question for you experts. Does the host country (Brazil) get an additional entry for each of the men's and women's categories? I know that may be a dumb question, but I honestly can't remember. In 1996 (I realize it was the first year and things could have changed since then), didn't the US have three teams (Karch/Kent, Dodd/Whit and Sinjin/Henkel? I mean, I was there watching in Atlanta and I know that all 3 of those teams were there, but was it because they gave Sinjin some type of wild card entry, or was it because the home country was given three entries? Thanks for the help!
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Mar 4, 2016 0:55:43 GMT -5
OK, quick question for you experts. Does the host country (Brazil) get an additional entry for each of the men's and women's categories? I know that may be a dumb question, but I honestly can't remember. In 1996 (I realize it was the first year and things could have changed since then), didn't the US have three teams (Karch/Kent, Dodd/Whit and Sinjin/Henkel? I mean, I was there watching in Atlanta and I know that all 3 of those teams were there, but was it because they gave Sinjin some type of wild card entry, or was it because the home country was given three entries? Thanks for the help! Not a dumb question. But the answer is no. They changed the rule after the 2000 Olympics, the host country now gets a maximum of two entries.
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Post by beavis on Mar 4, 2016 2:56:52 GMT -5
Thanks, Geddy - very much appreciated!
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Post by gr8ful on Mar 9, 2016 17:45:03 GMT -5
The Sinjin/Henkel vs Kiraly/Kent was an all time classic match which they should have won.. Las Kiraly was such an enormous dick ripping Sinin before the Olympics, I was so pulling for Sinjin and Henkel. Kent was an enormous prick too, but man he was good. Wonder if they tested all the participants for steroids back then
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Post by guest2 on Mar 10, 2016 1:54:55 GMT -5
The Sinjin/Henkel vs Kiraly/Kent was an all time classic match which they should have won.. Las Kiraly was such an enormous dick ripping Sinin before the Olympics, I was so pulling for Sinjin and Henkel. Kent was an enormous prick too, but man he was good. Wonder if they tested all the participants for steroids back then What people forget about that Olympics is Sinjin/Henkel did not deserve to be there. They were, at best, the 6th or 7th best US team, and likely closer to 10th. Kiraly never gets blamed enough for being a jerk to partners and other people but he was 100% right about Sinjin not deserving to be there. Sinjin exploited a terrible qualification system. For reference if Sinjin's knee had gone out, the spot he "earned" would have been taken by Carlos Briceno/Jeff Williams. The revisionist viewpoint that Sinjin/Henkel deserved to be there because they gave Karch/Kent a great game is garbage. Eric Boyles/Leif Hanson once played KK/KS to overtime, it didnt mean they deserved to be in the Olympics. That said I was rooting for Sinjin too. I think they were playing well enough to get bronze too, but that match just broke their hearts
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