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Post by n00b on Feb 11, 2016 15:13:14 GMT -5
Q: What makes Nebraska different for non-starters that they all want to get out? A: $$$ and wanting to be a "starter"; for non-scholarship players who could easily be a starter, and be on scholarship at another Div.1 school; and for scholarship players who can be a starter and fulfill their ambitions. But I think this is the same at all 'Top' Schools, though not all schools have the same amount of quality depth that NE has. *I think for a transferring volleyball player coming from UNL serves as a good resume enhancer; as schools have historically benefited from acquiring former UNL players. What makes Nebraska unique compared to Penn State, Washington, Texas, and Florida?
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Post by redbeard2008 on Feb 11, 2016 15:34:30 GMT -5
Does a non scholarship player hoping to transfer also have to get a release to check the market and see if there are scholarships available? If you are a recruited athlete, even if without a scholarship, other schools need a "permission to contact" from your current school. Schools can get around it by going through a third-party, such as a club coach. A release or waiver would be required to avoid sitting out for a year. A true walk-on has no such restrictions.
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Post by n00b on Feb 11, 2016 15:48:31 GMT -5
Does a non scholarship player hoping to transfer also have to get a release to check the market and see if there are scholarships available? If you are a recruited athlete, even if without a scholarship, other schools need a "permission to contact" from your current school. Schools can get around it by going through a third-party, such as a club coach. A release or waiver would be required to avoid sitting out for a year. A true walk-on has no such restrictions. I don't think the NCAA has any sort of special rules for a "true walk on". Where are you getting that from? I don't even know what you mean by that.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Feb 11, 2016 15:58:15 GMT -5
Full list, with Strange, Yanz, and Bartek added:
Nebraska transfers out (18/season=prior to transfer; 5/*=non-scholarship):
2014 (4): Alexa Ethridge* (to Missouri), Kira Larsen (to Missouri), Maddie Haggerty (to Central Florida), Melanie Keil (to FSU) 2013 (2): Brenna Lyles* (to Texas State, family illness), Sheridan Zarda* (to Kansas State) 2012 (3): Lara Dykstra (to Pepperdine/Sand), Alexa Strange (to USC/Sand), Lauren Sieckmann (enrolled early, then transferred to Wayne State DII for fall season, without ever playing for Neb., Pepperdine/Sand, USC/Sand) 2011 (2): Taylor Simpson FSU/Missouri/Colorado), Shelby Winkelmann* (to Central Missouri, for basketball) 2010 (2): Megan Pendergast* (to Texas A&M), Kristen Kelsay ("decommitted" after signing an NLI, to MSU) 2009 (2): Kaitlynn James (to Louisville), Jessica Yanz (to Dayton) 2007 (1): Jordan Haverly (to Indiana) 2006 (1): Brooke Bartek (to Kentucky) 2004 (1): Kelsey Fautsch (to Tennessee)
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Post by redbeard2008 on Feb 11, 2016 16:45:49 GMT -5
If you are a recruited athlete, even if without a scholarship, other schools need a "permission to contact" from your current school. Schools can get around it by going through a third-party, such as a club coach. A release or waiver would be required to avoid sitting out for a year. A true walk-on has no such restrictions. I don't think the NCAA has any sort of special rules for a "true walk on". Where are you getting that from? I don't even know what you mean by that. A true "walk-on" was not recruited prior to enrolling. They could be invited to join the team after an open tryout or being seen playing intramurals.
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Post by vbct3 on Feb 11, 2016 17:30:28 GMT -5
I don't think the NCAA has any sort of special rules for a "true walk on". Where are you getting that from? I don't even know what you mean by that. A true "walk-on" was not recruited prior to enrolling. They could be invited to join the team after an open tryout or being seen playing intramurals. Actually, from the By Law you have quoted, it reads as though there is no designation between a walk-on, and a "true walk-on" as you describe. (a) Official visits are ones that the university pays for the recruit's expenses, and are only available after the PSA completes her junior year of HS. (as far as I remember) (b) Most walk-ons for schools probably won't have coaches set up an in-person, off-campus meeting (ie. visiting a practice, home-visit, etc.) But I guess it's not impossible. (c) No walk-on would sign an NLI or athletically related financial aid agreement. Thus their status as a walk-on vs being a scholarship athlete.
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Post by jcvball22 on Feb 11, 2016 17:35:57 GMT -5
I don't think the NCAA has any sort of special rules for a "true walk on". Where are you getting that from? I don't even know what you mean by that. A true "walk-on" was not recruited prior to enrolling. They could be invited to join the team after an open tryout or being seen playing intramurals. There is no distinction between "true walk-on" and "recruited walk-on" per the NCAA, however, they are two different things. The term walk-on means anyone not receiving athletically related financial aid, no matter how they got there. And for the purposes of this post, as long as the athlete was a member of the team past the first date of competition/first day of classes for a regular term, she must secure a release in order to transfer and be eligible to immediately at another institution.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Feb 11, 2016 17:43:45 GMT -5
A true "walk-on" was not recruited prior to enrolling. They could be invited to join the team after an open tryout or being seen playing intramurals. Actually, from the By Law you have quoted, it reads as though there is no designation between a walk-on, and a "true walk-on" as you describe. (a) Official visits are ones that the university pays for the recruit's expenses, and are only available after the PSA completes her junior year of HS. (as far as I remember) (b) Most walk-ons for schools probably won't have coaches set up an in-person, off-campus meeting (ie. visiting a practice, home-visit, etc.) But I guess it's not impossible. (c) No walk-on would sign an NLI or athletically related financial aid agreement. Thus their status as a walk-on vs being a scholarship athlete. I said what I meant by a "true walk-on": a non-recruited athlete. You can be a recruited athlete, with or without an offer of an athletic scholarship.
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Post by jcvball22 on Feb 11, 2016 17:50:27 GMT -5
Actually, from the By Law you have quoted, it reads as though there is no designation between a walk-on, and a "true walk-on" as you describe. (a) Official visits are ones that the university pays for the recruit's expenses, and are only available after the PSA completes her junior year of HS. (as far as I remember) (b) Most walk-ons for schools probably won't have coaches set up an in-person, off-campus meeting (ie. visiting a practice, home-visit, etc.) But I guess it's not impossible. (c) No walk-on would sign an NLI or athletically related financial aid agreement. Thus their status as a walk-on vs being a scholarship athlete. I said what I meant by a "true walk-on": a non-recruited athlete. You can be a recruited athlete, with or without an offer of an athletic scholarship. A true walk-on, assuming they have spent any time on the team, would still require a release if they transfer. There is no NCAA distinction between recruited walk-on and "true walk-on" as you put it. See my post a few back
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Post by redbeard2008 on Feb 11, 2016 18:36:13 GMT -5
And for the purposes of this post, as long as the athlete was a member of the team past the first date of competition/first day of classes for a regular term, she must secure a release in order to transfer and be eligible to immediately at another institution. I was mistaken: As long as they have not engaged in "countable athletically related activities" (practice, strength conditioning, etc.) for more than a "14-consecutive-day period", they are eligible for the exception. Can't imagine that a coach or AD would stand in the way of a non-scholarship athlete transferring, particularly if being offered a scholarship.
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Post by topspin on Feb 11, 2016 20:44:21 GMT -5
Full list, with Strange, Yanz, and Bartek added: Nebraska transfers out (18/season=prior to transfer): 2014 (4): Alexa Ethridge (to Missouri), Kira Larsen (to Missouri), Maddie Haggerty (to Central Florida), Melanie Keil (to FSU) 2013 (2): Brenna Lyles (to Texas State, family illness), Sheridan Zarda (to Kansas State) 2012 (3): Lara Dykstra (to Pepperdine/Sand), Alexa Strange (to USC/Sand), Lauren Sieckmann (enrolled early, then transferred to Wayne State DII for fall season, without ever playing for Neb., Pepperdine/Sand, USC/Sand) 2011 (2): Taylor Simpson FSU/Missouri/Colorado), Shelby Winkelmann (to Central Missouri, for basketball) 2010 (2): Megan Pendergast (to Texas A&M), Kristen Kelsay ("decommitted" after signing an NLI, to MSU) 2009 (2): Kaitlynn James (to Louisville), Jessica Yanz (to Dayton) 2007 (1): Jordan Haverly (to Indiana) 2006 (1): Brooke Bartek (to Kentucky) 2004 (1): Kelsey Fautsch (to Tennessee) I wonder how many verbal commitments have changed during that time, too. Kelli Browning, Sarah Allick, any others?
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Post by vbgirls2 on Feb 12, 2016 9:42:53 GMT -5
Molly Haggerty decommit. FYI.....Brenna Lyles no longer on the Texas State roster. Sheridan Zarda injury no longer on the KState roster. Molly Haggerty to Michigan State from UCF.
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Post by wishinwestcoastvb on Feb 12, 2016 9:47:34 GMT -5
Molly Haggerty decommit. FYI.....Brenna Lyles no longer on the Texas State roster. Sheridan Zarda injury no longer on the KState roster. Molly Haggerty to Michigan State from UCF. It's Maddie going to MSU, not Molly. Molly will be at Wisconsin.
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Post by vbgirls2 on Feb 12, 2016 9:48:46 GMT -5
Does a non scholarship player hoping to transfer also have to get a release to check the market and see if there are scholarships available? (owlsem)
YES. I would guess you would not want to ask for a release unless you have some places that are already interested in you and have a scholarship available. (regardless if you are scholarshipped presently or not). Most girls would not want to go talk to their head coach and ask for a release, most times......its not an easy conversation, unless they have some information ahead of time. OF course schools will not formally talk to you until you have a release in hand. Athletes test the waters and ask about need and available scholarships via their former club coaches.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Feb 13, 2016 15:38:25 GMT -5
It has been brought up in this thread and elsewhere that some of Nebraska's 18 transfers (since 2004) were non-scholarship athletes ("walk-ons"). If Nebraska announces non-NLI-signees with NLI-signees in November, that could be true. (Note: Washington announces only NLI-signees.)
However, despite my request for details, no Nebraska fan has seen fit to identify who any of these walk-ons were.
Even so, 18 transfers (even if including some walk-ons) over ten years is an exceedingly large number. Is this as far "out of the normal" as it appears?
For instance, USC had five non-seniors on their 2014 roster that weren't on the 2015 roster: Nwanebu, Gillis, Wheatley, Schmidt, and Wimmer. Only two look to have transferred (Nwanebu and Gillis), while the others apparently quit volleyball. Nwanebu, Gillis, and Wheatley were scholarship athletes; as far as I know, Schmidt and Wimmer were walk-ons.
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