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Post by JB Southpaw on Jul 27, 2016 8:31:38 GMT -5
Billy Allen Theo Brunner Ryan Doherty John Mayer
Have made the MD, Crabb's match is going on now.
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Post by JB Southpaw on Jul 27, 2016 8:39:46 GMT -5
Crabbs are in, won 2-0
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Post by JB Southpaw on Jul 27, 2016 9:46:58 GMT -5
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Post by tree on Jul 27, 2016 10:18:20 GMT -5
Impressive win for the USC sisters!
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Post by bigskinny22 on Jul 27, 2016 11:11:30 GMT -5
Are the Crabb brothers good enough to take it to the next level with each other or do you think a split would be wise?
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Jul 27, 2016 11:20:26 GMT -5
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Post by downtheline on Jul 27, 2016 11:20:26 GMT -5
Young guns take down the Canadians 2-0, 21-17, 21-17.
They could be for real next year on tour.
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Post by guest2 on Jul 27, 2016 13:15:55 GMT -5
This essentially means they will come off first doesn't it? Absent a crushing loss to Brazil?
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jul 27, 2016 13:41:04 GMT -5
Wow, aren't the Germans serious medal contenders?
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Post by ebes1099 on Jul 27, 2016 14:01:47 GMT -5
Who'd ever think that a player could both out block AND out set Stoklos. IMO, any GOAT talk has to be separated by Eras, Pre-Rally and post for me (and also, pre penetrating block era to a lesser extent). I agree on eras, and most of what you post, but please don't ever say anyone outset Stoklos again. Its my equivalent of drawing cartoons of the prophet. (Besides Stoklos had a much greater range and in his prime put hands on digs and passes Phil wouldn't even think about - for example I never see Phil jump set, jump back set, or take overpasses etc. with his hands.) Maybe this is a discussion for another thread, but have they tightened the rules on setting since the era of Stoklos, Karch, Steffes, etc.? I wasn't following beach back then, but I've watched some of the matches on youtube and it seems like there's some questionable sets that don't get called (granted the video quality isn't great so it's tough to see), but it seems like they call sets pretty tight now.
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Post by JB Southpaw on Jul 27, 2016 14:03:20 GMT -5
Are the Crabb brothers good enough to take it to the next level with each other or do you think a split would be wise? That's a good question. I'd say right now, the sum is greater than the parts. Trevor is a below average sized blocker. I don't think he is as physically dynamic as Tri, he gets blocked a bit much for me. His setting has really improved over the last 2 years of being on tour. Taylor is undersized as the player who will have to side out, but when you look at Nick & Bruno you can't brush players like this aside. I think he is very dynamic athletically, both offensively and on Defense. He may be the 2nd best defensive player behind Nick in the US. (not the best non-blocker, as there are a few who side out better right now) I think Taylor will get more comfortable hitting around the monster FIVB blocks the more he plays. I think Taylor has the higher ceiling if Trevor is just a blocker. Not sure Trevor can transition, I'd like to see him try.
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Post by JB Southpaw on Jul 27, 2016 14:04:53 GMT -5
This essentially means they will come off first doesn't it? Absent a crushing loss to Brazil? If they lose to Brazil, and who ever wins the Ger/CAN match up it would be decided by points, not head to head I believe.
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Post by JB Southpaw on Jul 27, 2016 14:05:41 GMT -5
I agree on eras, and most of what you post, but please don't ever say anyone outset Stoklos again. Its my equivalent of drawing cartoons of the prophet. (Besides Stoklos had a much greater range and in his prime put hands on digs and passes Phil wouldn't even think about - for example I never see Phil jump set, jump back set, or take overpasses etc. with his hands.) Maybe this is a discussion for another thread, but have they tightened the rules on setting since the era of Stoklos, Karch, Steffes, etc.? I wasn't following beach back then, but I've watched some of the matches on youtube and it seems like there's some questionable sets that don't get called (granted the video quality isn't great so it's tough to see), but it seems like they call sets pretty tight now. Well, I'd say they don't call the double as tight now, but call the "deep dish" much tighter.
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Post by guest2 on Jul 27, 2016 14:49:46 GMT -5
Maybe this is a discussion for another thread, but have they tightened the rules on setting since the era of Stoklos, Karch, Steffes, etc.? I wasn't following beach back then, but I've watched some of the matches on youtube and it seems like there's some questionable sets that don't get called (granted the video quality isn't great so it's tough to see), but it seems like they call sets pretty tight now. Well, I'd say they don't call the double as tight now, but call the "deep dish" much tighter. Setting calls much looser now. Phil's hands are as deep as anyone from that era, maybe Ak or Fro are comparable. What was so amazing about Stoklos is he didnt deep dish sets. (Like an Ayakatubby or Phil) and his sets still came out perfect. Of course the trouble with that kind of setting, as opposed to dishing the ball, is that you lose your hands a little as you get older, For a while FIVB hands were absolutely appalling, really from the first Rio World Championships up until fairly recently it was hard to get anything called. Much better now
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Post by JB Southpaw on Jul 27, 2016 15:31:52 GMT -5
Well, I'd say they don't call the double as tight now, but call the "deep dish" much tighter. Setting calls much looser now. Phil's hands are as deep as anyone from that era, maybe Ak or Fro are comparable. What was so amazing about Stoklos is he didnt deep dish sets. (Like an Ayakatubby or Phil) and his sets still came out perfect. Of course the trouble with that kind of setting, as opposed to dishing the ball, is that you lose your hands a little as you get older, For a while FIVB hands were absolutely appalling, really from the first Rio World Championships up until fairly recently it was hard to get anything called. Much better now I knew you were going to go after this topic. I agree, 15 years ago I'd never hand set. Wasn't worth it. I have noticed, and it's documented somewhere as a point of emphasis about deep dishes this year. (excluding Phil) Both Smith and Randy did that quick little push hand setting, looking back now it is more amazing to me.
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Post by haze on Jul 27, 2016 15:55:22 GMT -5
Pretty good clip of Stoklos setting right now.
I remember watching Stoklos in that movie Sideout and thought the guy was a complete @$$%*!*. He was quite brash out on the court when I watched him. I hear he was/is one of the nicest guys off the court. I loved watching him play.
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