Men's vball USA vs. Brazil

[Northern lights]

Would like to hear some of the changes people think the US Coach will make in this match.

[treesandwaves]

Honestly I kind of expect everything the same but I would like to see priddy or jaeshke out there so we can have some solid passing and run out middles like crazy to open the pins

[ciscokeed]

I think that Coach Speraw feels like there have been a lot of close sets played and that he has kept waiting for tte starters to step up to their normal level. But I agree I would love to see a passing oh in the lineup. I also wish we wouldn't always stay in read. Middles have been eating us for lunch. I would love to see us commit more often...

[haze]

Anyone think USA can beat Brazil?

[wonderwarthog79]

Hey, there are four people who care.

[kokyu]

Mauricio's probably worse at passing than both Russell and Sander so think USA will have a good chance if they target him.

Surprised he's getting the start over Lipe when everyone else on the court are terminal (and better) hitters.

Sunderland confirmed Murilo's injured, such a shame since he was playing so well beginning of Grand Prix.

[akbar]

Yes , the USA men are capable of winning this match. The Brazilian team has shown definite moments of losing, focus, intereat and willingness to grind (whatever you want to term it)

Hopefully our men's mindset is on the upswing and we can demonstrate some consistent pressure on serving and controlled passing(we may have to play above ourselves in that area).

As far as change, I would go with our starters, but I would say that Sander's leash is the smallest and I would go with Jaeschke if needed. He passes well, hits the bic well and his jumpserve is consistent and gets on the passers pretty quick.

I know I've said it before,(100 times) that Speraw needs to let Russell jump serve. The side out percentage for the opposing team, let alone getting them out of system is a problem. It's not like we are out digging and out blocking teams in the past 2 matches.


I think Anderson is due for an outstanding match.

[ballervolley]

I say from the get go stick priddy or jaeschke in. It seems like if the team is not lit from the beginning it's over. Also, they would make a great play and then demolish their ability to move forward by turning around and make a service error, then the next server makes an error, then even the next, it's totally dejecting.

[akbar]

Aug 11, 2016 9:43:09 GMT -5 ballervolley said:

I say from the get go stick priddy or jaeschke in. It seems like if the team is not lit from the beginning it's over. Also, they would make a great play and then demolish their ability to move forward by turning around and make a service error, then the next server makes an error, then even the next, it's totally dejecting.

I'm sure you have played,coached or watched enough. Serving is a mindset that can be contagious.


Like I spoke about the women's team first match, our guys have got to go for it there and eventually the first serves will turn into 2nd and 3rd and 4th opportunities. Only Holt seemed to have that mindset against Italy. If 2-3 gus are really banging it then it opens the door to the offspeed cutter for guys like Micah, Taylor and even Russell (who has a great offspeeder)

DO NOT WORRY about "just getting it in"

[kokyu]

Yes Priddy and/or Jaeschke needs to start to give them a fair chance. Also Jaeschke's hitting is perfectly competent so having them both on the floor wouldn't mean sacrificing two hitting spots. And to be fair Priddy did have excellent hitting matches for Civitanova with Christenson.

[dusty64]

Speraw has a problem, created by Speraw, no quality bench. I would start with same lineup, but when Russell or Sander begin to shake On passing, Jaeschke should come in. The same with Anderson, i would go for Russell as Opp, not Troy. The real problem is that Speraw takes too long to sub, and when he wake up, opponents are already ahead...in points and sets.

[SuperSpike]

Aug 11, 2016 10:05:52 GMT -5 akbar said:

Aug 11, 2016 9:43:09 GMT -5 ballervolley said:

I say from the get go stick priddy or jaeschke in. It seems like if the team is not lit from the beginning it's over. Also, they would make a great play and then demolish their ability to move forward by turning around and make a service error, then the next server makes an error, then even the next, it's totally dejecting.

I'm sure you have played,coached or watched enough. Serving is a mindset that can be contagious.


Like I spoke about the women's team first match, our guys have got to go for it there and eventually the first serves will turn into 2nd and 3rd and 4th opportunities. Only Holt seemed to have that mindset against Italy. If 2-3 gus are really banging it then it opens the door to the offspeed cutter for guys like Micah, Taylor and even Russell (who has a great offspeeder)

DO NOT WORRY about "just getting it in"

Yep. Part of me wonders if USA is overly analytical. I understand the desire for a mixed bag of servers but at this point it seems like we don't have more than 1-2 servers who go after the ball hard. 

I think this may go deeper than serving because development of elite athletes requires you to cultivate that ultra confident/aggressive mentality and protect it even when it sometimes costs you. 

I remember reading about how one of the greatest soccer coaches of all time looked for players who were almost disliked at their previous level (strikers) for always taking risks. But what teammates and fans saw as selfish, this coach saw as incredible will power to go for it despite such pressure. So he would take them on and protect and cultivate that attitude which he believed coaches so often let die in their systems.

When I watch Brazil, I see hitters run crazy aggressive routes in the worst situations. I saw Bruno make a back bump set to his middle (shoot speed) from like 6-8ft outside the court. Brazil regularly does this stuff. It's like you're not playing volleyball if you're not going for lots of hard sets. 

Makes sense since they CAN do it, but at some earlier point a club coach was watching these guys make crazy aggressive decisions and botch things. I love the way Brazilians go for things and take risks. I also love the concept of money ball and leveraging stats. But I wonder at the limitations of an analytical stat driven model of coaching to make the correct developmental calls. From the outside looking in, I would love to see Micha get a longer leash at some point to become a playmaker. Same for the IT guys who will carry the offense. (Which I think Speraw has done with Russel, but also has not done).

As a VB coach Anson Dorace talking about building world class strikers really stuck with me. The VB community took the cauldron concept but may have missed some other key pieces.

[SuperSpike]

In high level MVB if you are playing aggressive, and get hot, you win. I don't understand the lack of aggressive serving and the out of system put the ball in play roll shots I see, or how Micah rarely goes for really difficult sets. I just think of teams that win as looking quite different from this, even if there seems to be a valid statistic backing the calls.

[Northern lights]

Aug 10, 2016 23:18:57 GMT -5 haze said:

Anyone think USA can beat Brazil?

I think they can, there was a moment in the second set where Canada had Brazil, and bad luck followed. The US is more talented than Canada,  Christensen, Holt, Russell and Anderson, have the talent to win this tournament. The edge goes to Brazil with there libero Sergio, watching him is amazing.

Anderson should lead the team in swings, he seems like a rhythm player, and Russell a shorter lease in serve and serve receive.  Holt should score more.

[Northern lights]

Aug 11, 2016 14:12:29 GMT -5 SuperSpike said:

Aug 11, 2016 10:05:52 GMT -5 akbar said:

I'm sure you have played,coached or watched enough. Serving is a mindset that can be contagious.


Like I spoke about the women's team first match, our guys have got to go for it there and eventually the first serves will turn into 2nd and 3rd and 4th opportunities. Only Holt seemed to have that mindset against Italy. If 2-3 gus are really banging it then it opens the door to the offspeed cutter for guys like Micah, Taylor and even Russell (who has a great offspeeder)

DO NOT WORRY about "just getting it in"

Yep. Part of me wonders if USA is overly analytical. I understand the desire for a mixed bag of servers but at this point it seems like we don't have more than 1-2 servers who go after the ball hard. 

I think this may go deeper than serving because development of elite athletes requires you to cultivate that ultra confident/aggressive mentality and protect it even when it sometimes costs you. 

I remember reading about how one of the greatest soccer coaches of all time looked for players who were almost disliked at their previous level (strikers) for always taking risks. But what teammates and fans saw as selfish, this coach saw as incredible will power to go for it despite such pressure. So he would take them on and protect and cultivate that attitude which he believed coaches so often let die in their systems.

When I watch Brazil, I see hitters run crazy aggressive routes in the worst situations. I saw Bruno make a back bump set to his middle (shoot speed) from like 6-8ft outside the court. Brazil regularly does this stuff. It's like you're not playing volleyball if you're not going for lots of hard sets. 

Makes sense since they CAN do it, but at some earlier point a club coach was watching these guys make crazy aggressive decisions and botch things. I love the way Brazilians go for things and take risks. I also love the concept of money ball and leveraging stats. But I wonder at the limitations of an analytical stat driven model of coaching to make the correct developmental calls. From the outside looking in, I would love to see Micha get a longer leash at some point to become a playmaker. Same for the IT guys who will carry the offense. (Which I think Speraw has done with Russel, but also has not done).

As a VB coach Anson Dorace talking about building world class strikers really stuck with me. The VB community took the cauldron concept but may have missed some other key pieces.

That's how Brazil play's soccer/football as well, with a complete understanding of the game, and a feel for flair. I enjoy listening to the crowd, they are very knowledgeable, and really show their support for aggressive and athletic plays.