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Post by naujack85 on Aug 17, 2016 21:49:35 GMT -5
Both the men's and women's indoor teams have now made the semifinals despite some underwhelming play at the opposite position, but which team should be more concerned? Both Murphy and Lowe have struggled during many matches, getting blocked often and having a hard time getting kills on any out of system sets. Anderson has looked great in some matches (including today for the most part), and lackadaisical in others. I will say that he has performed much better than Lowe or Murphy, but I also think that the men may need to rely on him much more in the coming rounds than the women will need to with Kelly Or Karsta. What do you guys think? The men's and women's game is very different. There is no comparison between a opp with the men and women. This is just a dumb thread. How much different? Sloetjes and Zhu Ting have a very similar impact on their teams that Anderson has for the men. |
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Post by treesandwaves on Aug 17, 2016 22:01:23 GMT -5
The men's and women's game is very different. There is no comparison between a opp with the men and women. This is just a dumb thread. How much different? Sloetjes and Zhu Ting have a very similar impact on their teams that Anderson has for the men. Zhu Ting is an outside hitter - the women's game is more outside outlet driven than the mens is the point kro i believe is trying to make |
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Post by Draco_MN on Aug 17, 2016 22:18:07 GMT -5
Both the men's and women's indoor teams have now made the semifinals despite some underwhelming play at the opposite position, but which team should be more concerned? Both Murphy and Lowe have struggled during many matches, getting blocked often and having a hard time getting kills on any out of system sets. Anderson has looked great in some matches (including today for the most part), and lackadaisical in others. I will say that he has performed much better than Lowe or Murphy, but I also think that the men may need to rely on him much more in the coming rounds than the women will need to with Kelly Or Karsta. What do you guys think? The men's and women's game is very different. There is no comparison between a opp with the men and women. This is just a dumb thread. I don't think the thread is directly comparing the abilities of Matt Anderson with the Murphy and Lowe, but the opposite's performance for their own team relative to what's expected/needed of them. Not that dumb. |
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Post by volleyfan24 on Aug 17, 2016 22:30:04 GMT -5
Would rather just have opinions of people who actually are watching the women's indoor. You need to pay attention then.. I've started half the threads on this board this olympics and probably seen every match team USA has played this year. My perspective on which opposite is better, more consistent and ready to play at this level is in line with the coaching staff. My comments are sometimes in line with yours Reach but this attitude is exactly what we don't need. We constantly preach grow the game and interest in volleyball. That way us fans don't have to struggle to get coverage of one of our favorite sports to watch. Someone coming to the board with an honest question and criticism, maybe doesn't know as much as you do. To offer your opinion is one thing but to be snarky and simply say "pay attention." Or "my thoughts are in line with the staff,"doesn't really tell someone who is new to the sport anything. It's bullying and an I know more than you attitude we don't need. Not everyone has the resources or knowledge to stream or watch every Team USA match. I find it hard and I actively seek them out. So next time offer constructive criticism instead of brushing someone off with an I am better than you or know more attitude. |
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Post by naujack85 on Aug 17, 2016 23:03:55 GMT -5
The men's and women's game is very different. There is no comparison between a opp with the men and women. This is just a dumb thread. I don't think the thread is directly comparing the abilities of Matt Anderson with the Murphy and Lowe, but the opposite's performance for their own team relative to what's expected/needed of them. Not that dumb. Right. The women don't need as much from the opposite position as the men do, so The question was with respect to each team. |
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Post by Reach on Aug 18, 2016 1:17:09 GMT -5
You need to pay attention then.. I've started half the threads on this board this olympics and probably seen every match team USA has played this year. My perspective on which opposite is better, more consistent and ready to play at this level is in line with the coaching staff. My comments are sometimes in line with yours Reach but this attitude is exactly what we don't need. We constantly preach grow the game and interest in volleyball. That way us fans don't have to struggle to get coverage of one of our favorite sports to watch. Someone coming to the board with an honest question and criticism, maybe doesn't know as much as you do. To offer your opinion is one thing but to be snarky and simply say "pay attention." Or "my thoughts are in line with the staff,"doesn't really tell someone who is new to the sport anything. It's bullying and an I know more than you attitude we don't need. Not everyone has the resources or knowledge to stream or watch every Team USA match. I find it hard and I actively seek them out. So next time offer constructive criticism instead of brushing someone off with an I am better than you or know more attitude. . Why are you assuming this person is new to the sport? Also, did I not answer th3 original question? The poster thinks Lowe is the best player on the court. I answered appropriately that they need to watch more volleyball to which they replied that they wanted the opinion of posters who actually watch indoor!! Lol. I responded appropriately, |
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Post by Reach on Aug 18, 2016 1:23:37 GMT -5
You need to pay attention then.. I've started half the threads on this board this olympics and probably seen every match team USA has played this year. My perspective on which opposite is better, more consistent and ready to play at this level is in line with the coaching staff. Very well. I haven't bothered reading any of the threads considering the women's team because I probably pay attention to them the least of all the volleyball/beach volleyball teams. I came in to see the men's problem with their opposite in Anderson and saw something about the Lowe player. I just thought I'd ask about it considering this is a thread titled specifically to that but maybe that's just too much to ask for. No problem, didn't mean to sound like a jerk, just that many people have seen Lowe play against lower level competition where she's had dominating performances offensively. What people don't talk about is her lack of defense, blocking smart out of system swinging, all the little things. Murphy just does those things better and when Glass is setting well Murphy shines. When she's not, Murphy had the ability to keep the ball in play. Lowe has not shown that. That's why I suggested you watch more! The staff has made the right choice. Murphy is currently better. |
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Post by SportyBucky on Aug 18, 2016 8:04:06 GMT -5
Both the men's and women's indoor teams have now made the semifinals despite some underwhelming play at the opposite position, but which team should be more concerned? Both Murphy and Lowe have struggled during many matches, getting blocked often and having a hard time getting kills on any out of system sets. Anderson has looked great in some matches (including today for the most part), and lackadaisical in others. I will say that he has performed much better than Lowe or Murphy, but I also think that the men may need to rely on him much more in the coming rounds than the women will need to with Kelly Or Karsta. What do you guys think? Um, this makes no sense. Anderson has had trouble connecting and timing but that has disappeared the last three matches. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Aug 18, 2016 8:24:14 GMT -5
I'm a bit surprised people are so accepting of letting an opposite have no responsibility at all for such a poor performance (.252.... but since people seem to think Lowe's performance against "weak competition" should be excluded, if you take out the Puerto Rico match, Murphy is hitting .153 on fewer than 2 kps over the other 5 matches, per the USAV DV stats). Have there been bad sets? Yes. There are ALWAYS bad sets and there are more than enough good sets too. Other players get bad sets and manage them and somehow magically also hit efficiently.
I also find it ridiculous that there's this quasi-expectation an opposite only to get in-system opportunities against split blocks. An opposite should be expected to manage bad sets some times. Getting a bump set from behind the 10 foot line is not an unfair burden to put on that player. That's true in both men's and women's volleyball.
It's also grating that when Murphy is getting only in-system sets against split blocks and hitting efficiently, you get kro in here whining about how the great Murphy is underutilized in the offense, and then in the few occasions when she has been asked to carry a load that includes more than that and predictably starts making errors, goes and whines about how the setting is holding her back. You can't have it both ways.
Fortunately, Larson and when they're on, Hill and Robinson, are good enough that USA has more or less been able to get by in several matches by sending most everything remotely challenging to the left and not asking our opposite to do opposite-like things.
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Post by naujack85 on Aug 18, 2016 8:46:32 GMT -5
I'm a bit surprised people are so accepting of letting an opposite have no responsibility at all for such a poor performance (.252.... but since people seem to think Lowe's performance against "weak competition" should be excluded, if you take out the Puerto Rico match, Murphy is hitting .153 on fewer than 2 kps over the other 5 matches, per the USAV DV stats). Have there been bad sets? Yes. There are ALWAYS bad sets and there are more than enough good sets too. Other players get bad sets and manage them and somehow magically also hit efficiently. I also find it ridiculous that there's this quasi-expectation an opposite only to get in-system opportunities against split blocks. An opposite should be expected to manage bad sets some times. Getting a bump set from behind the 10 foot line is not an unfair burden to put on that player. That's true in both men's and women's volleyball. It's also grating that when Murphy is getting only in-system sets against split blocks and hitting efficiently, you get kro in here whining about how the great Murphy is underutilized in the offense, and then in the few occasions when she has been asked to carry a load that includes more than that and predictably starts making errors, goes and whines about how the setting is holding her back. You can't have it both ways. Fortunately, Larson and when they're on, Hill and Robinson, are good enough that USA has more or less been able to get by in several matches by sending most everything remotely challenging to the left and not asking our opposite to do opposite-like things. I agree with most of this. Murphy certainly hasn't done enough to deal with bad sets, but I also don't think she gets as consistent of a set as the left side hitters do. I just really hope we can get some consistent kills from our oppos for the next two matches |
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Post by kro2488 on Aug 18, 2016 8:47:37 GMT -5
I'm a bit surprised people are so accepting of letting an opposite have no responsibility at all for such a poor performance (.252.... but since people seem to think Lowe's performance against "weak competition" should be excluded, if you take out the Puerto Rico match, Murphy is hitting .153 on fewer than 2 kps over the other 5 matches, per the USAV DV stats). Have there been bad sets? Yes. There are ALWAYS bad sets and there are more than enough good sets too. Other players get bad sets and manage them and somehow magically also hit efficiently. I also find it ridiculous that there's this quasi-expectation an opposite only to get in-system opportunities against split blocks. An opposite should be expected to manage bad sets some times. Getting a bump set from behind the 10 foot line is not an unfair burden to put on that player. That's true in both men's and women's volleyball. It's also grating that when Murphy is getting only in-system sets against split blocks and hitting efficiently, you get kro in here whining about how the great Murphy is underutilized in the offense, and then in the few occasions when she has been asked to carry a load that includes more than that and predictably starts making errors, goes and whines about how the setting is holding her back. You can't have it both ways. Fortunately, Larson and when they're on, Hill and Robinson, are good enough that USA has more or less been able to get by in several matches by sending most everything remotely challenging to the left and not asking our opposite to do opposite-like things. Wow, almost a page of utter non sense and you didn't even notice what I was talking about. |
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Post by naujack85 on Aug 18, 2016 8:51:29 GMT -5
Both the men's and women's indoor teams have now made the semifinals despite some underwhelming play at the opposite position, but which team should be more concerned? Both Murphy and Lowe have struggled during many matches, getting blocked often and having a hard time getting kills on any out of system sets. Anderson has looked great in some matches (including today for the most part), and lackadaisical in others. I will say that he has performed much better than Lowe or Murphy, but I also think that the men may need to rely on him much more in the coming rounds than the women will need to with Kelly Or Karsta. What do you guys think? Um, this makes no sense. Anderson has had trouble connecting and timing but that has disappeared the last three matches. He was terrible against Mexico and was quickly benched, though that may have been by design. He looked more rested against Poland and was dominant, I just feel like he's still missing on some easy opportunities. I would love nothing more than for him to demolish the Italians. |
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Post by Reach on Aug 18, 2016 8:55:16 GMT -5
Sorry but the lefts are getting way more consistent sets, even out of system. Murphy hasn't. She should be better but again, setting has t helped her get into go rhythms most sets.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 8:56:17 GMT -5
Lowe's biggest problem right now is that she makes way too many errors on broken down plays. She needs to keep the ball in play when she can't take a good healthy swing at it. While the role of the opposite in a double sub is not easy, that IS her role.
For the most part, she's been fine in-system.
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Post by gobruins on Aug 18, 2016 9:11:15 GMT -5
I would say that having Matt Anderson, Murphy Troy, Kelly Murphy and Karsta Lowe is the opposite of having a problem!
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