2016 Bracketology (FINALIZED) 11/27

[rainbowbadger]

Bumping in light of this weekend's results.

[trojansc]

Nov 13, 2016 8:05:35 GMT -5 rainbowbadger said:

Bumping in light of this weekend's results.

There will be an update tomorrow with a lot of good stuff.. Lots of madness happening around the volleyball world.

[badgerbreath]

Nov 13, 2016 11:22:24 GMT -5 trojansc said:

Nov 13, 2016 8:05:35 GMT -5 rainbowbadger said:

Bumping in light of this weekend's results.

There will be an update tomorrow with a lot of good stuff.. Lots of madness happening around the volleyball world.

Should be interesting!  Thanks!

[trojansc]

Alright yall - finally got to update all of this.

I'll update this on Monday/Tuesday next week too, most of the AQ's will be determined by then. That version will have the full resume's listed for each serious bubble candidate. Then a finalized update on Sat 11/26 after all the matches finish and I can run the RPI #'s before the committee releases their bracket

[mnsports255]

Minnesota's not going to be a 4 seed and North Carolina is not going to be a 3 seed. I think you're quite a ways off here...

[trojansc]

Nov 15, 2016 16:35:30 GMT -5 mnsports255 said:

Minnesota's not going to be a 4 seed and North Carolina is not going to be a 3 seed. I think you're quite a ways off here...

UCLA is the listed 3 seed. If they win out and win the PAC-12 (which is guaranteed with 4 wins) they will be seeded high

UNC is listed at 10 and if you look at their nitty gritty that seems pretty reasonable.

Please enlighten me how I am a "ways off" on Minnesota

[badgerbreath]

Funny how Wisconsin get 3 teams it has already played in preseason in it's regional! I thought the committee tried to avoid things like that!

[trojansc]

Nov 15, 2016 16:45:48 GMT -5 badgerbreath said:

Funny how Wisconsin get 3 teams it has already played in preseason in it's regional! I thought the committee tried to avoid things like that!

The committee doesn't care rematches, especially if teams are not from the same conference. The committee will make sure that two teams from the same conference are never in the same SUBregional. There are plenty of rematches that happen, even in the 1st and 2nd round. I haven't looked just yet who will be a rematch, but I assume some will happen particularly those within 400 miles of a specific host. The NCAA's only considerations are making sure they can minimize their number of flights and avoid 2 teams from the same conferences in one subregional. That's it.

In 2010 the committee put all the top 4 pac teams on one half of the bracket, so 2 in one regional and 2 from the other regional, and the winners met. (it ended up being USC/Stanford and Cal/Washington in the elite 8, with USC losing to Cal in the National Semis)

[badgerbreath]

Nov 15, 2016 16:55:14 GMT -5 trojansc said:

Nov 15, 2016 16:45:48 GMT -5 badgerbreath said:

Funny how Wisconsin get 3 teams it has already played in preseason in it's regional! I thought the committee tried to avoid things like that!

The committee doesn't care rematches, especially if teams are not from the same conference. The committee will make sure that two teams from the same conference are never in the same SUBregional. There are plenty of rematches that happen, even in the 1st and 2nd round. I haven't looked just yet who will be a rematch, but I assume some will happen particularly those within 400 miles of a specific host. The NCAA's only considerations are making sure they can minimize their number of flights and avoid 2 teams from the same conferences in one subregional. That's it.

In 2010 the committee put all the top 4 pac teams on one half of the bracket, so 2 in one regional and 2 from the other regional, and the winners met. (it ended up being USC/Stanford and Cal/Washington in the elite 8, with USC losing to Cal in the National Semis)

I understand.  I just thought it was an amazing coincidence.  I imagine there will be twists and turns before decision time, but it would be amazing if things turned out this way.  What are the chances?

[bluepenquin]

Nov 15, 2016 16:55:14 GMT -5 trojansc said:

Nov 15, 2016 16:45:48 GMT -5 badgerbreath said:

Funny how Wisconsin get 3 teams it has already played in preseason in it's regional! I thought the committee tried to avoid things like that!

The committee doesn't care rematches, especially if teams are not from the same conference. The committee will make sure that two teams from the same conference are never in the same SUBregional. There are plenty of rematches that happen, even in the 1st and 2nd round. I haven't looked just yet who will be a rematch, but I assume some will happen particularly those within 400 miles of a specific host. The NCAA's only considerations are making sure they can minimize their number of flights and avoid 2 teams from the same conferences in one subregional. That's it.

In 2010 the committee put all the top 4 pac teams on one half of the bracket, so 2 in one regional and 2 from the other regional, and the winners met. (it ended up being USC/Stanford and Cal/Washington in the elite 8, with USC losing to Cal in the National Semis)

If I remember correctly - didn't the committee mention that they try to avoid re-matches for the sub-regional in consecutive years.  Sometimes it cannot be avoided and still have the fewest fly-ins.  I am aware of nothing in trying to avoid rematches within the same year.  Or maybe I misremember?

[HawaiiVB]

I think Hawai'i may get the 15th or 16th seed.

[Barefoot In Kailua]

Hawaii won't be seeded but they were unseeded last year too, it doesn't make much difference. The lineup is a little jumbled for Hawaii with Greeley unavailable to swing but that may be a blessing in disguise as Shoji would never have moved Mitchem to the outside if Greeley was available for front row duty. That move, along with Hawaii's passing improving, has made a world of difference for the Bows. They're playing their best volleyball of the season and as healthy as they are going to be. They'll be heading into the tournament with a chip on their shoulder and a lot to prove. Gotta get through this week first though.

[mikegarrison]

Nov 15, 2016 16:45:48 GMT -5 badgerbreath said:

Funny how Wisconsin get 3 teams it has already played in preseason in it's regional! I thought the committee tried to avoid things like that!

I'm pretty sure they don't, actually. They try to avoid conference matchups in the first two rounds, but after that all bets are off.

[hammer]

Sometimes it's better to lose a match and dropout of a bad bracket. So, for example, Stanford wants to be in the same bracket as Minnesota, but at all costs, it wants to avoid Michigan.

[southie]

Maybe I missed it, but how are you determining the seedings?