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Post by southie on Nov 15, 2016 19:01:21 GMT -5
The committee doesn't care rematches, especially if teams are not from the same conference. The committee will make sure that two teams from the same conference are never in the same SUBregional. There are plenty of rematches that happen, even in the 1st and 2nd round. I haven't looked just yet who will be a rematch, but I assume some will happen particularly those within 400 miles of a specific host. The NCAA's only considerations are making sure they can minimize their number of flights and avoid 2 teams from the same conferences in one subregional. That's it. In 2010 the committee put all the top 4 pac teams on one half of the bracket, so 2 in one regional and 2 from the other regional, and the winners met. (it ended up being USC/Stanford and Cal/Washington in the elite 8, with USC losing to Cal in the National Semis) If I remember correctly - didn't the committee mention that they try to avoid re-matches for the sub-regional in consecutive years. Sometimes it cannot be avoided and still have the fewest fly-ins. I am aware of nothing in trying to avoid rematches within the same year. Or maybe I misremember?
I honestly don't know if there really is a written (unwritten) rule regarding rematches in consecutive years. Pretty sure that Texas A&M was sent to the Texas sub-regional several years in a row prior to last year, as A&M hosted their own sub-regional in 2015. |
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Post by trojansc on Nov 15, 2016 19:32:38 GMT -5
Maybe I missed it, but how are you determining the seedings? Using the current nitty gritty with my future predicted outcomes. Seedings are complicated and many of the big conferences have 4 matches left, which can shake things up majorly. So, in this case, I'm predicting Kansas and UCLA to win out and be their conference Champions. Actual criteria is top 25 wins, top 50 wins, significant losses, common opponents, SOS, etc. I also took into account their top 10 ranking they released last week. One team we are going to have to come to terms on is BYU. I am all for giving BYU a high seed - not sure if the committee feels the same way? |
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Nov 15, 2016 19:46:04 GMT -5
The Committee is going to factor in the Regional Advisory Committee Rankings as part of the equation. We're all focused on RPI but it's just one evaluative tool that the Committee uses.
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Post by trojansc on Nov 15, 2016 20:03:38 GMT -5
The Committee is going to factor in the Regional Advisory Committee Rankings as part of the equation. We're all focused on RPI but it's just one evaluative tool that the Committee uses. When's the last time someone with an RPI over 52 or so got into the tournament? It's been awhile. For at-large bids, the RPI is crucially important. They will shuffle around a few, but it is unprecedented for the NCAA to leave out a team with an RPI near 25, but give an at-large bid to someone with an RPI at 60. For seeding, I completely agree with you. |
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Post by trollhunter on Nov 15, 2016 20:14:36 GMT -5
The Committee is going to factor in the Regional Advisory Committee Rankings as part of the equation. We're all focused on RPI but it's just one evaluative tool that the Committee uses. When's the last time someone with an RPI over 52 or so got into the tournament? It's been awhile. For at-large bids, the RPI is crucially important. They will shuffle around a few, but it is unprecedented for the NCAA to leave out a team with an RPI near 25, but give an at-large bid to someone with an RPI at 60. For seeding, I completely agree with you. Not unprecedented, but certainly don't think it will happen again. EWU in 2002 had an RPI of #24 and did not get in despite other good criteria. Was likely a clerical error and probably some safeguards put in the process after that. |
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Post by trojansc on Nov 15, 2016 20:35:29 GMT -5
When's the last time someone with an RPI over 52 or so got into the tournament? It's been awhile. For at-large bids, the RPI is crucially important. They will shuffle around a few, but it is unprecedented for the NCAA to leave out a team with an RPI near 25, but give an at-large bid to someone with an RPI at 60. For seeding, I completely agree with you. Not unprecedented, but certainly don't think it will happen again. EWU in 2002 had an RPI of #24 and did not get in despite other good criteria. Was likely a clerical error and probably some safeguards put in the process after that. Yep the famous snub. They had to have been forgotten about. They beat then no 7. utah I believe, sad case all around.. Miami nearly didnt have a top 50 win a few years ago but an excellent RPI, but they ended up having one or two top 50 by the time the selection RPI was done |
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Post by pavsec5row10 on Nov 15, 2016 22:14:58 GMT -5
America East – New Hampshire (39)
*AAC – Southern Methodist (158)
The RPI is flipped for UNH and SMU. Great work, though I'd question UCLA moving up to 3 and Texas down to 7, from their current RPIs. UCLA has been the most consistent of the top PAC12 teams, but have any of them won four straight this season?
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Post by Fight On! on Nov 15, 2016 23:58:30 GMT -5
Once the seeds are selected and the drive-ins are settled, how do they determine the fly ins? I watched UNH at USC a few years ago. That is just about as far of a flight as possible. Just curious if there is insight. I know USC does not have much chance to get to a regional this year, but a fan can stay loyal and hope, right?!?
There seems to be some disagreement about whether Hawaii is likely to end up in San Diego or Washington.
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Post by mnsports255 on Nov 16, 2016 0:15:56 GMT -5
Minnesota's not going to be a 4 seed and North Carolina is not going to be a 3 seed. I think you're quite a ways off here... UCLA is the listed 3 seed. If they win out and win the PAC-12 (which is guaranteed with 4 wins) they will be seeded high UNC is listed at 10 and if you look at their nitty gritty that seems pretty reasonable. Please enlighten me how I am a "ways off" on Minnesota If Minnesota wins their final 4 games they are a 2 seed at worst. And I'd bet money UCLA doesn't win out or get to host a regional. |
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Post by trojansc on Nov 16, 2016 6:13:03 GMT -5
UCLA is the listed 3 seed. If they win out and win the PAC-12 (which is guaranteed with 4 wins) they will be seeded high UNC is listed at 10 and if you look at their nitty gritty that seems pretty reasonable. Please enlighten me how I am a "ways off" on Minnesota If Minnesota wins their final 4 games they are a 2 seed at worst. And I'd bet money UCLA doesn't win out or get to host a regional. Tall task to ask of Minnesota - they are 1-2 against the 4 teams they end the season with. The good part is they are at home for all four -- and none of the matches are back to back. UCLA, on the other hand, is 3-0 versus the 4 teams they end the season with. 3 of UCLA's matches are at home, and I think they take all three. The question mark is the match at Hec Ed. I'm not sure how much money you'd want to bet against UCLA winning out - but I'd take their chances over Minny's. Oregon St, Oregon, USC, Washington. Going 4-0 over those teams is significantly easier than going 4-0 against Michigan , Michigan State, Nebraska, and Wisconsin. All four of those teams are likely to be seeded! |
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Post by n00b on Nov 16, 2016 9:31:52 GMT -5
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Post by spikerthemovie on Nov 16, 2016 11:43:56 GMT -5
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Post by Fight On! on Nov 17, 2016 19:12:55 GMT -5
What are the implications of the Utah v Wazzu match today??
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Post by 1TXHusker on Nov 17, 2016 20:54:20 GMT -5
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Post by bluepenquin on Nov 17, 2016 21:16:04 GMT -5
What are the implications of the Utah v Wazzu match today?? IMO, Utah wins both matches this week and they are in excellent position for a seed. Washington State might need one more win to assure a bid - but they may have already done enough. |
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