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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Aug 9, 2004 16:19:50 GMT -5
Seeing Long Beach out of the top 25 feels odd. It just isn't really normal. The 49ers are going to have to prove they belong with the elite. Beachman has to do a better job of selling his team, seems like nobody is buying. ;D Go Bows!! |
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Aug 9, 2004 16:26:19 GMT -5
AVCA Preason Top 25 poll 1 USC (56) 2 Nebraska (5) 3 UCLA 4 Florida 5 Minnesota (1) 6 Stanford (2) 7 Washington 8 Penn State 9 Pepperdine 10 California (1) 11 Colorado State 12 Georgia Tech 13 Hawai'i 14 Kansas State 15 Texas A&M 16 UC Santa Barbara 17 Arizona 18 Loyola Marymount 19 Illinois 20 Louisville 21 Northern Iowa 22 Santa Clara 23 Wisconsin 24 Utah 25 Notre Dame Others receiving points and listed on two or more ballots: Maryland 112, Cincinnati 110, Long Beach State 108, San Diego 105, Texas 88, Kansas 85, Missouri 78, Michigan 68, Colorado 59, Brigham Young 58, Michigan State 45, UC Irvine 39, Pittsburgh 34, Florida A&M 27, Ohio 20, Arkansas 18, Wichita State 13, Fresno State 12, Tennessee 11, North Carolina 8, Ohio State 7, Pacific 7, Western Michigan 6, Ball State 3, Florida State 2. (R)uffda's Preseaon Top 25 picks 1--Nebraska 2--USC 3--Florida 4--UCLA 5--The Golden Gopher 6--Washington 7--California 8--Stanford 9--Penn State 10--Hawai'i. 11--Colorado State 12--Pepperdine 13--Georgia Tech 14--UCSB 15--Kansas State 16--Texas A&M 17--Arizona 18--Loyola Marymount 19--Santa Clara 20--Wisconsin 21--Illinois 22--Northern Iowa 23--Long Beach State 24--San Diego 25--Texas. On the cusp: Louisville Kansas UCI FAMU Arkansas Maryland SW MO State Notre Dame Pittsburgh BYU Fresno State Utah Michigan (maybe) MSU (maybe) Not bad  |
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Post by cougarize on Aug 9, 2004 16:31:07 GMT -5
Idaho? Must have been an oversight. BY ALL 65 VOTERS! Four teams on a single ballot for 22 points? That means they were ranked pretty high, too. I'm sure Idaho was NOT one of the teams. Considering IB's chum Debbie Buchanan doesn't even have a vote, I can say that with confidence. Now why isn't it a premier program, an emerging volleyball power, one which is making the move UP (or down) to the WAC and one with a 'star' coach doesn't have a vote in the top 25? |
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Post by cougarize on Aug 9, 2004 16:36:02 GMT -5
[/li][li]Not a single solitary vote for Idaho?! Good grief! Of course you all know... this means WAR! [/list] [/quote] Let's begin this conversation civily and in a realistic manner. Yes that means taking off the potato-colored glasses. The Vandals are a team which is picked to finish FIFTH in the ever so omniscient BIG WEST conference. That, by the way, is their highest preseason position ever in the BIG WEST. Please we do not need to hear anymore about teams NOT in the top 25 and banter about Idaho's merits should only be discussed when they actually do something and actually have at least two of the 65 coaches for for it. |
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Post by beachman on Aug 9, 2004 16:39:47 GMT -5
The 49ers are going to have to prove they belong with the elite. Beachman has to do a better job of selling his team, seems like nobody is buying. ;D Go Bows!! I think that anyone who knows about and follows these polls knows that the first poll of ths season heavily reflects the last poll of the previous year. Hence no Long Beach, and a very overrated Hawaii! Make no mistake about the fact that it is NOT my job to "sell" this team. This Long Beach State team will have to sell themselves and when you have been eliminated i nthe 1st round two years in a row, it ain't easy! |
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Post by IdahoBoy on Aug 9, 2004 16:41:19 GMT -5
... and banter about Idaho's merits should only be discussed when they actually do something and actually have at least two of the 65 coaches for for it. Oh... you mean like BYU lately? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2004 16:42:36 GMT -5
Not bad That was my first draft. This was my final: HM is Honorable Mention W is a team I will be watching closely 1 Nebraska 2 USC 3 Florida 4 Washington 5 UCLA 6 Minnesota 7 California 8 CO State 9 Penn State 10 Stanford 11 Hawaii 12 UCSB 13 Pepperdine 14 KSU 15 GA Tech 16 TX A&M 17 Arizona 18 LMU 19 Santa Clara 20 Wisconsin 21 LBSU 22 San Diego 23 UNI 24 Texas 25 Illinois 26 Kansas 27 Louisville 28 UCI 29 Colorado 30 Missouri HM FAMU HM Maryland HM Michigan HM Notre Dame HM Ohio State W Ball State W Cincinnati W Idaho (not really) W MI State W Utah |
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Post by IdahoBoy on Aug 9, 2004 16:43:50 GMT -5
Let's review IB's picks: 1--USC (frontrunner, like most) 2--Florida (this was a jab at Gator) 3--UCLA 4--Nebraska 5--Washington 6--Stanford 7--Hawaii (AWOOOOOOOOOOOOOGA!*) 8--GA Tech (because they looked good v. Hawaii) 9--PSU 10--CSU 11--Cal 12--Pepperdine 13--Minnesota (because he's a slimeball) 14--Notre Dame (pardon me while I retch) 15--OSU (a little carried away, methinks) 16--TAMU 17--UNI 18--KSU 19--Michigan (hmmmmm) 20--MSU (hmmmmm) 21--Wisconsin 22--Arizona 23--UCSB (oops!) 24--Idaho (Awoooooooooooooooooooooooga!*) 25--Fresno State (Awooooooooooooooooooooooooga!*) Tsk tsk tsk. Hey.... by no means whatsoever were my picks meant to forecast the AVCA's version. Mine are right. There's (and yours) are wrong. So there. |
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Post by cougarize on Aug 9, 2004 16:44:26 GMT -5
I think that anyone who knows about and follows these polls knows that the first poll of ths season heavily reflects the last poll of the previous year. Hence no Long Beach, and a very overrated Hawaii! Make no mistake about the fact that it is NOT my job to "sell" this team. This Long Beach State team will have to sell themselves and when you have been eliminated i nthe 1st round two years in a row, it ain't easy! Beachman makes an obvious point, one that we all need to remember. Hawaii doesn't deserve to be where they are (high teens, low 20s is more like it) and although I think LBSU is where it really should be, the rest of the poll is, at this point, just pure chat fodder. It's too bad the coaches don't put a little more collective thought into the preseason process. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2004 16:45:35 GMT -5
Hey.... by no means whatsoever were my picks meant to forecast the AVCA's version. Mine are right. There's (and yours) are wrong. So there. Didn't say they were (meant to predict the AVCA ranking). So there. Please call off your dog. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2004 16:47:21 GMT -5
Beachman makes an obvious point, one that we all need to remember. Hawaii doesn't deserve to be where they are (high teens, low 20s is more like it) and although I think LBSU is where it really should be, the rest of the poll is, at this point, just pure chat fodder. It's too bad the coaches don't put a little more collective thought into the preseason process. It IS interesting, however, that they picked a couple of teams for which they threw out 2003--Nebraska and Hawaii. Seems like everyone else was ranked, to a great degree, based on 2003. |
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Aug 9, 2004 16:48:05 GMT -5
Beachman makes an obvious point, one that we all need to remember. Hawaii doesn't deserve to be where they are (high teens, low 20s is more like it). Hawai'i is right where they should be at this point in the season. BYU, OUT of the top 25 poll, is right where it should be as well. ;D |
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Post by cougarize on Aug 9, 2004 16:52:46 GMT -5
Oh... you mean like BYU lately? Well it's true BYU HAS struggled. But the Cougars are still the third winningest team in NCAA history, and after a one year hiccup in 2002 (it's only losing season since 1969-70), they rebounded to make the tournament last year, advancing to the second round and finished the year ranked third in the West region. BYU deserved to be ranked in the top 25 after beating NO. 8 Penn State last year, but I have no complaints. A very average year for BYU, like last last year would be considered outstanding for a handful of schools -- including Idaho. ;D BYU will climb back in to the top 25 at some point and will make it up to the low teens this season and be a preseason low teen team next. The Cougars have a great deal of talent and depth. An early season match at Penn State will be tough, but BYU will beat UCLA and Notre Dame at home -- mark my word. And IB can bookmark this post and bring it up for Sept. 18 when the Cougars take it to the Bruins. |
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Post by Mumsie on Aug 9, 2004 16:52:52 GMT -5
Let's begin this conversation civily and in a realistic manner. Please we do not need to hear anymore about teams NOT in the top 25 . People can talk about ANY team they want to talk about, even if they are NOT in the top 25 poll. It's a FREE COUNTRY! Geez.  |
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Post by cougarize on Aug 9, 2004 16:54:15 GMT -5
It IS interesting, however, that they picked a couple of teams for which they threw out 2003--Nebraska and Hawaii. Seems like everyone else was ranked, to a great degree, based on 2003. It would of been MORE interesting had more than a paltry two teams been thrown out. Then this would have made for a more lively board. |
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