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Post by vollypopaz on Oct 2, 2017 12:32:16 GMT -5
It’s year 8. The only accomplishment was sharing the Mountain West title and first round defeat in the NCAA tournament in 2012. How do you consistently have great talent and aren’t at the top of the conference ? I sure hope your comment about the assistant coach was just trying to make a joke. He may have been making a joke, but he (Murczek) is an assistant there: www.goaztecs.com/sports/w-volley/mtt/ken_murczek_1052030.html |
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Post by vbman100 on Oct 2, 2017 13:00:25 GMT -5
The Loyola Chicago coach best get working. 1-14 isn't very good. I was thinking the same thing last week, but they have had a rough schedule. Let's see how the MVC season turns out for them. I can see them winning 4 or 5 of their next 6. Young team, no seniors. 5-13 in conference is possible. Not great, but not the end of the line either. |
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Post by sisyphus on Oct 2, 2017 13:53:08 GMT -5
I do not think any of the third year coaches are really in much trouble, unless school has overly high expectations or some other issue gets created. None of those programs have been super powerful in recent years, so those coaches probably still have time. Evansville coach got an extension. Evansville is not a school that can afford to hire another coach while still paying the old one. What are the expectations at Evansville?? Good for him that he got an extension, his record on the other hand... The expectation is to be as competitive as possible in conference, given their financial situation relative to the rest of the conference. So I think the bar is pretty low. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 14:23:09 GMT -5
What are the expectations at Evansville?? Good for him that he got an extension, his record on the other hand... The expectation is to be as competitive as possible in conference, given their financial situation relative to the rest of the conference. So I think the bar is pretty low. I believe the academic criteria are high--that a poor record will be tolerated if those kids are high academic achievers in tough majors. Can't verify that though. |
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Post by oldman on Oct 2, 2017 14:39:21 GMT -5
I believe this is a quote from the Cornell AD: "a poor record will be tolerated if our athletes are high academic achievers in tough majors. Classroom performance TRUMPS court performance." #MakeingCornellGreatAgain.
The old man said tongue in cheek.
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Post by rtael on Oct 2, 2017 17:58:56 GMT -5
Can't believe this guy is still getting hired...he's obviously got some issues. I notice his bio doesn't mention the reason he left Wake Forest. Also what's up with the random one-year stint coaching men's volleyball? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 19:09:15 GMT -5
you maybe on to something here... I highly doubt that in the Arizona athletic department is spending two seconds thinking about volleyball right now. Sweet 16 last year, rebuilding year, might as well focus on the flagship basketball program whose top assistant was just ARRESTED for money-laundering. He's been there for 20+ years. Unless he murders someone he's not going anywhere. Go to the NCAA every 3 years and the AD is happy. Graduate the athletes and schedule smart. Women's sports there are well-funded and as the previous post points out, Basketball is the lightning rod. |
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Post by Mocha on Oct 2, 2017 20:29:44 GMT -5
I highly doubt that in the Arizona athletic department is spending two seconds thinking about volleyball right now. Sweet 16 last year, rebuilding year, might as well focus on the flagship basketball program whose top assistant was just ARRESTED for money-laundering. He's been there for 20+ years. Unless he murders someone he's not going anywhere. Go to the NCAA every 3 years and the AD is happy. Graduate the athletes and schedule smart. Women's sports there are well-funded and as the previous post points out, Basketball is the lightning rod. If he ever becomes available Northridge would snap him up in a second, he is a legend there. |
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Post by vbfanantic on Oct 14, 2017 21:11:36 GMT -5
Really hard to figure how schools like Duke, Alabama, Virginia, Clemson cannot pull it together. How is Western Kentucky consistently better than these teams? It has to be the coach, right? Feels like with different leadership these programs could be better. Look how the guy at Pitt turned them around - they are not top tier but he has made a huge difference. Seems like the Notre Dame guys is doing the same thing.
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Post by wishinwestcoastvb on Oct 14, 2017 21:17:43 GMT -5
Really hard to figure how schools like Duke, Alabama, Virginia, Clemson cannot pull it together. How is Western Kentucky consistently better than these teams? It has to be the coach, right? Feels like with different leadership these programs could be better. Look how the guy at Pitt turned them around - they are not top tier but he has made a huge difference. Seems like the Notre Dame guys is doing the same thing. Clemson under first year head coach trying to turn it around. Virginia is first year under previous assistant. Alabama is bad. Duke shouldn’t be this bad and they have some talent. I think UVA, Bama, and Duke could all use some new leadership |
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Post by beast on Oct 14, 2017 21:56:35 GMT -5
How about a conversation regarding what happened to the mid-major teams that used to be ranked top 25, top 50/75 and would regularly win or compete for their conference championships, knock off BCS schools, were consistently top finishers in their conferences: Ohio University, Middle Tennessee State, Belmont, Tulsa, Moorehead State, FIU, UT San Antonio, Marshall, Dayton, Georgia Southern, App State, Liberty, Winthrop, Marquette, UAB, Lipscomb, South Florida, Furman, Samford, Northern Iowa, George Mason, University Of Delaware, Florida Gulf Coast. Some have had coaching changes, some have not. Some of the coaches moved on to bigger schools and are doing good & some did not do good, some lost their jobs due to NCAA Violations or other things. And those that are still with their programs can't seem to get back to that level.
And, could have a separate topic, conversation about the same thing regarding BCS schools.
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Post by austintatious on Oct 14, 2017 22:11:44 GMT -5
How about a conversation regarding what happened to the mid-major teams that used to be ranked top 25, top 50/75 and would regularly win or compete for their conference championships, knock off BCS schools, were consistently top finishers in their conferences: Ohio University, Middle Tennessee State, Belmont, Tulsa, Moorehead State, FIU, UT San Antonio, Marshall, Dayton, Georgia Southern, App State, Liberty, Winthrop, Marquette, UAB, Lipscomb, South Florida, Furman, Samford, Northern Iowa, George Mason, University Of Delaware, Florida Gulf Coast. Some have had coaching changes, some have not. Some of the coaches moved on to bigger schools and are doing good & some did not do good, some lost their jobs due to NCAA Violations or other things. And those that are still with their programs can't seem to get back to that level. And, could have a separate topic, conversation about the same thing regarding BCS schools. Nice comments. You are right, all of these schools in the past 5-10 years performed as you said. Would like to see it again. FIU was really bad, european coach had a couple of great recruiting years and flourished and got her a new job at BGSU, Rita hasn't had the same impact. Not sure what kind of support she got from admin. Middle Tenn had such a good team under Matt Peck for many years. A couple of years they were the funnest team in the country to watch, with their athleticism and interesting offense. I think FGCU will be back soon, like their program. USF I hope it is an administrative support issue. See them several times a year and can't put my finger on their issues, so won't guess. But I agree, it was fun pulling up Rich Kern on Sat and Sun morning and seeing the upsets. |
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Post by ja on Oct 15, 2017 3:48:38 GMT -5
How about a conversation regarding what happened to the mid-major teams that used to be ranked top 25, top 50/75 and would regularly win or compete for their conference championships, knock off BCS schools, were consistently top finishers in their conferences: Ohio University, Middle Tennessee State, Belmont, Tulsa, Moorehead State, FIU, UT San Antonio, Marshall, Dayton, Georgia Southern, App State, Liberty, Winthrop, Marquette, UAB, Lipscomb, South Florida, Furman, Samford, Northern Iowa, George Mason, University Of Delaware, Florida Gulf Coast. Some have had coaching changes, some have not. Some of the coaches moved on to bigger schools and are doing good & some did not do good, some lost their jobs due to NCAA Violations or other things. And those that are still with their programs can't seem to get back to that level. And, could have a separate topic, conversation about the same thing regarding BCS schools. Nice comments. You are right, all of these schools in the past 5-10 years performed as you said. Would like to see it again. FIU was really bad, european coach had a couple of great recruiting years and flourished and got her a new job at BGSU, Rita hasn't had the same impact. Not sure what kind of support she got from admin. Middle Tenn had such a good team under Matt Peck for many years. A couple of years they were the funnest team in the country to watch, with their athleticism and interesting offense. I think FGCU will be back soon, like their program. USF I hope it is an administrative support issue. See them several times a year and can't put my finger on their issues, so won't guess. But I agree, it was fun pulling up Rich Kern on Sat and Sun morning and seeing the upsets. Rita have full AD support and her legend status will keep her employed. She wants to have only local players and unfortunately level of her recruits are not at the same level as International she had before. I would not worry about her job. |
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Post by Not Me on Oct 15, 2017 9:10:37 GMT -5
many of those schools saw success because they had a very good coach on their way up the coaching ranks. Once they move on, it is tough to replace that person. So what do you do for those schools? They hire a new coach, and see what happens. If that coach is another up and comer, well, then they are gone in a few years. If they aren't, do you fire them, looking for the next great coach to come along? Knowing that even if you do find them, your school doesn't have the resources to keep them?
For those mid majors, its more about stability.
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Post by n00b on Oct 15, 2017 9:22:06 GMT -5
How about a conversation regarding what happened to the mid-major teams that used to be ranked top 25, top 50/75 and would regularly win or compete for their conference championships, knock off BCS schools, were consistently top finishers in their conferences: Ohio University, Middle Tennessee State, Belmont, Tulsa, Moorehead State, FIU, UT San Antonio, Marshall, Dayton, Georgia Southern, App State, Liberty, Winthrop, Marquette, UAB, Lipscomb, South Florida, Furman, Samford, Northern Iowa, George Mason, University Of Delaware, Florida Gulf Coast. Some have had coaching changes, some have not. Some of the coaches moved on to bigger schools and are doing good & some did not do good, some lost their jobs due to NCAA Violations or other things. And those that are still with their programs can't seem to get back to that level. And, could have a separate topic, conversation about the same thing regarding BCS schools. That's a bizarre list. Some fit your description. Others, not at all. Marquette just beat Creighton and is at the top of the Big East standings. Dayton has won 50 straight A10 matches. Gulf Coast has been at about the same level in the A-Sun for a while (but they've improved along with Lipscomb and Kennesaw). Lipscomb still dominates that conference. South Florida and Tulsa have at no time been anywhere near the top of their current conferences. But perhaps they dominated a lesser conference a decade ago? |
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