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Post by slxpress on Oct 15, 2017 10:02:41 GMT -5
I believe this is a quote from the Cornell AD: "a poor record will be tolerated if our athletes are high academic achievers in tough majors. Classroom performance TRUMPS court performance." #MakeingCornellGreatAgain. The old man said tongue in cheek. Cornell often abuses their unique position as a public-private school. Their athletic programs are rife with players enrolled in some form of agricultural studies. If they said this, they're being hypocritical. They do plenty to keep players eligible by keeping them away from the toughest majors. I'm not judging. It's what collegiate athletics has become for the most part. Too much money involved. Too much time being invested - kids don't even get their summers any more. It's difficult to measure academic performance in meaningful ways compared to measuring on court/field performance. We judge ourselves by our intent. We judge others by their actions. Too many instances where what the AD said may be the intent, but the actions involved by college administrations over and over again demonstrate that winning matters. |
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Post by slxpress on Oct 15, 2017 13:48:46 GMT -5
Records are as of 9/30/17. The records of last year, year before, and the current year. I removed anyone hired this year or last year, and I didn't included any of the HBCUs. The list includes anyone in their 3rd year and beyond, the records include 2015, 2016, and 2017. No promising on accuracy, the records were taken from MasseyRatings.com. Only programs with .500 or worse are listed.
In my opinion, the best 5 jobs would be; Oklahoma, St. Marys CA, Houston, San Diego St, and Fresno State.
I had a post about it on the Big 12 thread, but OU should be better than they are. Restrepo has had some success there, but they're abysmal, and have been for a bit. They have amazing access to top talent, they have resources, there's a commitment at OU for success in non revenue sports. Their current level of performance is extremely subpar. |
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Post by jcvball22 on Oct 15, 2017 14:08:57 GMT -5
I believe this is a quote from the Cornell AD: "a poor record will be tolerated if our athletes are high academic achievers in tough majors. Classroom performance TRUMPS court performance." #MakeingCornellGreatAgain. The old man said tongue in cheek. Cornell often abuses their unique position as a public-private school. Their athletic programs are rife with players enrolled in some form of agricultural studies. If they said this, they're being hypocritical. They do plenty to keep players eligible by keeping them away from the toughest majors. I'm not judging. It's what collegiate athletics has become for the most part. Too much money involved. Too much time being invested - kids don't even get their summers any more. It's difficult to measure academic performance in meaningful ways compared to measuring on court/field performance. We judge ourselves by our intent. We judge others by their actions. Too many instances where what the AD said may be the intent, but the actions involved by college administrations over and over again demonstrate that winning matters. They may use that as a draw for students, as those programs aren't offered at any other Ivy school, but those admitted through the SUNY programs still need to meet the Ivy Minimum for athletic participation (used to be a 175 on the AI scale, not sure what it is now). Additionally, the tourism management and agriculture programs through SUNY are some of the top programs in the country in those areas of study and are not easy to get in to. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 14:15:42 GMT -5
I believe this is a quote from the Cornell AD: "a poor record will be tolerated if our athletes are high academic achievers in tough majors. Classroom performance TRUMPS court performance." #MakeingCornellGreatAgain. The old man said tongue in cheek. Cornell often abuses their unique position as a public-private school. Their athletic programs are rife with players enrolled in some form of agricultural studies. If they said this, they're being hypocritical. They do plenty to keep players eligible by keeping them away from the toughest majors. I'm not judging. It's what collegiate athletics has become for the most part. Too much money involved. Too much time being invested - kids don't even get their summers any more. It's difficult to measure academic performance in meaningful ways compared to measuring on court/field performance. We judge ourselves by our intent. We judge others by their actions. Too many instances where what the AD said may be the intent, but the actions involved by college administrations over and over again demonstrate that winning matters. You don't think Agricultural Studies is rigorous or a worthwhile academic area? |
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Post by setter1848 on Oct 15, 2017 14:53:53 GMT -5
Mid October....who’s seat is warm or warming up??
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Post by utoolity on Oct 15, 2017 15:26:17 GMT -5
Mid October....who’s seat is warm or warming up?? 2-12 Florida international only played in two preseason tourneys Hurricane induced for one or both weekends? She's an Asst AD and they're not what they were ten years ago. |
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Post by austintatious on Oct 15, 2017 15:37:09 GMT -5
Nice comments. You are right, all of these schools in the past 5-10 years performed as you said. Would like to see it again. FIU was really bad, european coach had a couple of great recruiting years and flourished and got her a new job at BGSU, Rita hasn't had the same impact. Not sure what kind of support she got from admin. Middle Tenn had such a good team under Matt Peck for many years. A couple of years they were the funnest team in the country to watch, with their athleticism and interesting offense. I think FGCU will be back soon, like their program. USF I hope it is an administrative support issue. See them several times a year and can't put my finger on their issues, so won't guess. But I agree, it was fun pulling up Rich Kern on Sat and Sun morning and seeing the upsets. Rita have full AD support and her legend status will keep her employed. She wants to have only local players and unfortunately level of her recruits are not at the same level as International she had before. I would not worry about her job. Good insight on Rita and FIU, thanks. Will be down there for the UTSA match in Nov, anxious to see Rita and Laura, the San Antonio high school grads go after each other. And another SA product, Dom Gonzalez assisting at UTSA. |
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Post by slxpress on Oct 15, 2017 16:35:09 GMT -5
Cornell often abuses their unique position as a public-private school. Their athletic programs are rife with players enrolled in some form of agricultural studies. If they said this, they're being hypocritical. They do plenty to keep players eligible by keeping them away from the toughest majors. I'm not judging. It's what collegiate athletics has become for the most part. Too much money involved. Too much time being invested - kids don't even get their summers any more. It's difficult to measure academic performance in meaningful ways compared to measuring on court/field performance. We judge ourselves by our intent. We judge others by their actions. Too many instances where what the AD said may be the intent, but the actions involved by college administrations over and over again demonstrate that winning matters. They may use that as a draw for students, as those programs aren't offered at any other Ivy school, but those admitted through the SUNY programs still need to meet the Ivy Minimum for athletic participation (used to be a 175 on the AI scale, not sure what it is now). Additionally, the tourism management and agriculture programs through SUNY are some of the top programs in the country in those areas of study and are not easy to get in to. They don't use those degree plans as a draw for student athletes, though. Any more than all the kinesiology degrees, applied learning degrees, general studies degrees, or African American studies degrees, etc., throughout college sports - often times at the most prestigious universities in the country - are used as draws. What is sold is the value of getting a degree. What is actually going on is that they're majoring in keeping their eligibility. Cornell simply has a unique relationship in that regard. |
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Post by slxpress on Oct 15, 2017 16:36:14 GMT -5
Cornell often abuses their unique position as a public-private school. Their athletic programs are rife with players enrolled in some form of agricultural studies. If they said this, they're being hypocritical. They do plenty to keep players eligible by keeping them away from the toughest majors. I'm not judging. It's what collegiate athletics has become for the most part. Too much money involved. Too much time being invested - kids don't even get their summers any more. It's difficult to measure academic performance in meaningful ways compared to measuring on court/field performance. We judge ourselves by our intent. We judge others by their actions. Too many instances where what the AD said may be the intent, but the actions involved by college administrations over and over again demonstrate that winning matters. You don't think Agricultural Studies is rigorous or a worthwhile academic area? I think it's extraordinarily worthwhile. The percentage of athletes at Cornell majoring in it is absurd. There's another dynamic going on that has nothing to do with how worthwhile it is. Oh, and I want to make it clear it goes on everywhere athletics is getting prioritized. Cornell is simply unique because of its private/public schism. They are not unique in steering student athletes to a degree programs that are friendlier in terms of keeping their eligibility. |
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Post by jcvball22 on Oct 15, 2017 16:37:12 GMT -5
They may use that as a draw for students, as those programs aren't offered at any other Ivy school, but those admitted through the SUNY programs still need to meet the Ivy Minimum for athletic participation (used to be a 175 on the AI scale, not sure what it is now). Additionally, the tourism management and agriculture programs through SUNY are some of the top programs in the country in those areas of study and are not easy to get in to. They don't use those degree plans as a draw for student athletes, though. Any more than all the kinesiology degrees, applied learning degrees, general studies degrees, or African American studies degrees, etc., throughout college sports - often times at the most prestigious universities in the country - are used as draws. What is sold is the value of getting a degree. What is actually going on is that they're majoring in keeping their eligibility. Cornell simply has a unique relationship in that regard. Well, that's an interesting take on things. Horribly off base, but interesting. |
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Post by slxpress on Oct 15, 2017 16:39:02 GMT -5
They don't use those degree plans as a draw for student athletes, though. Any more than all the kinesiology degrees, applied learning degrees, general studies degrees, or African American studies degrees, etc., throughout college sports - often times at the most prestigious universities in the country - are used as draws. What is sold is the value of getting a degree. What is actually going on is that they're majoring in keeping their eligibility. Cornell simply has a unique relationship in that regard. Well, that's an interesting take on things. Horribly off base, but interesting. Given that I've known student athletes at Cornell in the recent past along with others being recruited there currently, I'd love to know what you find is so off base about it. |
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Post by jcvball22 on Oct 15, 2017 16:45:00 GMT -5
Well, that's an interesting take on things. Horribly off base, but interesting. Given that I've known student athletes at Cornell in the recent past along with others being recruited there currently, I'd love to know what you find is so off base about it. Well, you're misconstruing students majoring in Agriculture with students in the School of Agriculture and Life Sciences, to start. Those are two incredibly different things. Ad hominem stories are my favorite logical fallacy. |
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Post by slxpress on Oct 15, 2017 17:03:10 GMT -5
Well, correct my logical fallacy. It still doesn't change the preponderance of majors are on the public SUNY side of Cornell, and not the more exclusive private side. These are degree programs they wouldn't have access to at other Ivys, competing in the classroom against student bodies that are not the equivalent of either the private side of Cornell, nor the equivalent of other Ivies.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 17:30:34 GMT -5
Can you explain what the difference is between the public/private side of Cornell is and how it affects the course of study they offer? I would think you still have to be admitted into Cornell University, and the College associated with your major using the same standard. I guess I'm kinda confused by what you mean as to a large number of student athletes in one major course of study or one College at the University. If that is the best program in the country for that particular major wouldn't you think that a lot of students attend Cornell for that reason and that the high percentage of student athletes reflects the larger student body as a whole.
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Post by Babar on Oct 15, 2017 17:45:30 GMT -5
Records are as of 9/30/17. The records of last year, year before, and the current year. I removed anyone hired this year or last year, and I didn't included any of the HBCUs. The list includes anyone in their 3rd year and beyond, the records include 2015, 2016, and 2017. No promising on accuracy, the records were taken from MasseyRatings.com. Only programs with .500 or worse are listed.
In my opinion, the best 5 jobs would be; Oklahoma, St. Marys CA, Houston, San Diego St, and Fresno State.
I had a post about it on the Big 12 thread, but OU should be better than they are. Restrepo has had some success there, but they're abysmal, and have been for a bit. They have amazing access to top talent, they have resources, there's a commitment at OU for success in non revenue sports. Their current level of performance is extremely subpar. What is the difference between subpar and extremely subpar? |
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