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Post by hapaguy on Sept 18, 2017 22:45:35 GMT -5
Let's put Hawaii travel in perspective. During pre-conference, for many teams a trip to Hawaii is an event. The team stays multiple days. Families and fans go. It's a bonding experience and for some players, probably a once-in-a-lifetime experience. But during conference play, the tables are turned. From a travel perspective, Hawaii has the toughest, most grueling schedule in the country. Every road trip is a MAJOR trip. It's not an event, or bonding experience. And it's flying to one far away city, flying to a second city and then returning home. It's grueling. And don't forget, come tournament time Hawaii almost always gets screwed by the committee. This is so overblown. Hawaii's travel schedule is not daunting now that they are in the Big West. They leave the islands 4 times this year (3 last) and 2 of them are straight shots to LAX. They have 1 LAX flight with a bus ride or very short connection and then one slightly tricky trip to Davis. Zero trips with weather-related issues. Compare this to Wazzu's itinerary this year... or any team in the Big Sky. I looked at Wazzu's schedule and it looks like they've made three trips to the east coast this year plus their trips up and down the left coast in conference. Pretty brutal THIS year. Hawaii does that EVERY year and they travel farther than any team does in the postseason BY FAR....
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Post by jayj79 on Sept 18, 2017 22:53:51 GMT -5
Honestly I thought it would be much worse, this is a decent week in terms of accurateness. UCLA is a bit high for having one notable win, but nothing absurdly bad. "Accurateness?" it's part of the constant negative press covfefe
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Post by hookem1 on Sept 18, 2017 23:16:57 GMT -5
Honestly I thought it would be much worse, this is a decent week in terms of accurateness. UCLA is a bit high for having one notable win, but nothing absurdly bad. "Accurateness?" lol my bad I meant the rankings seemed pretty accurate compared to how it is some weeks.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Sept 18, 2017 23:41:45 GMT -5
Let's put Hawaii travel in perspective. During pre-conference, for many teams a trip to Hawaii is an event. The team stays multiple days. Families and fans go. It's a bonding experience and for some players, probably a once-in-a-lifetime experience. But during conference play, the tables are turned. From a travel perspective, Hawaii has the toughest, most grueling schedule in the country. Every road trip is a MAJOR trip. It's not an event, or bonding experience. And it's flying to one far away city, flying to a second city and then returning home. It's grueling. And don't forget, come tournament time Hawaii almost always gets screwed by the committee. This is so overblown. Hawaii's travel schedule is not daunting now that they are in the Big West. They leave the islands 4 times this year (3 last) and 2 of them are straight shots to LAX. They have 1 LAX flight with a bus ride or very short connection and then one slightly tricky trip to Davis. Zero trips with weather-related issues. Compare this to Wazzu's itinerary this year... or any team in the Big Sky. Hawaii's travel has been pretty much mitigated as much as is humanly possible with playing in the Big West. as been's stated, they stay at home for the first 4 weeks. 4 trips, all to Calif, with two to LA, after that. The Big West could probably work around them even more, and make it 3 trips. The issue with that is, the Big West only has 9 teams, so after pre-conference, there's a fair amount of idle time - as it is, 2 weeks in the season teams play only one time anyway. and then there is usually two or a week and a half period before the NCAAs - where some teams have gone to scheduling a non-conf game after Thanksgiving if the Big West had Hawaii go on only 3 trips, the idle time would probably be even worse. The Big West, and Hawaii, could probably use an extra out of conference game during conference because of that Cal POly has taken 4 trips this year already, which often includes a 4 hour bus to LAX or SFO as part of it - to Seattle, Portland, Illinois, Green Bay - and then they'll have a trip to Hawaii as well, plus all the bus trips to Davis or SoCal yeah, Hawaii has to travel, but it's not nearly as huge a burden like it once was when they traveled all over the place in the Mountain West I would even bet the Hawaii AD has probably attempted to try to schedule in matches with Pepperdine, LMU, USC or some NorCal Schools (St. Mary's/UOP) as part of some of their trips, just to get some extra quality games in during the season
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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 18, 2017 23:43:01 GMT -5
This is so overblown. Hawaii's travel schedule is not daunting now that they are in the Big West. They leave the islands 4 times this year (3 last) and 2 of them are straight shots to LAX. They have 1 LAX flight with a bus ride or very short connection and then one slightly tricky trip to Davis. Zero trips with weather-related issues. Compare this to Wazzu's itinerary this year... or any team in the Big Sky. I looked at Wazzu's schedule and it looks like they've made three trips to the east coast this year plus their trips up and down the left coast in conference. Pretty brutal THIS year. Hawaii does that EVERY year and they travel farther than any team does in the postseason BY FAR.... They don't do that every year, or at least they haven't since they left the WAC. They have no trips that even compare to getting in and out of Pullman (particularly in October/November). They go on a few long flights but not very many of them and their overall travel is quite straightforward.
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Post by hapaguy on Sept 18, 2017 23:54:21 GMT -5
I looked at Wazzu's schedule and it looks like they've made three trips to the east coast this year plus their trips up and down the left coast in conference. Pretty brutal THIS year. Hawaii does that EVERY year and they travel farther than any team does in the postseason BY FAR.... They don't do that every year, or at least they haven't since they left the WAC. They have no trips that even compare to getting in and out of Pullman (particularly in October/November). They go on a few long flights but not very many of them and their overall travel is quite straightforward. Not sure where your getting your info. It's easy enough to check UH's website to see that they take at lease 4 conference trips to the mainland every year and in 2013 they took 5 trips to the mainland and that's not counting the postseason. Like I said, Hawaii does this EVERY YEAR. If you think its no big deal to travel to another time zone 4-5 times a year then so be it. We will have to agree to disagree....
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 19, 2017 0:06:02 GMT -5
Hawaii in 2017:
Trip to LA Trip to LA Trip to LA (and then up the coast) Trip to LA and Sacramento
WSU in 2017:
Trip to Washington DC Trip to Connecticut Trip to Missouri Trip to Arizona Trip to LA Trip to San Fran Trip to Colorado and then Utah Trip to Oregon Trip to Seattle
(And that ignores that unless they fly charter out of Pullman, they are probably actually going to Spokane, Seattle, <destination>, Seattle, Spokane on every trip.)
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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 19, 2017 0:11:26 GMT -5
They don't do that every year, or at least they haven't since they left the WAC. They have no trips that even compare to getting in and out of Pullman (particularly in October/November). They go on a few long flights but not very many of them and their overall travel is quite straightforward. Not sure where your getting your info. It's easy enough to check UH's website to see that they take at lease 4 conference trips to the mainland every year and in 2013 they took 5 trips to the mainland and that's not counting the postseason. Like I said, Hawaii does this EVERY YEAR. If you think its no big deal to travel to another time zone 4-5 times a year then so be it. We will have to agree to disagree.... They took 3 trips in 2015, not last year. Dude, everyone travels. Many schools have it much worse than Hawaii. Stop pretending like you're that much more special. Hawaii never has to spend a day sitting in an airport because there's snow/lightning delaying their connecting flights. Hawaii player are missing less class than student athletes at other schools.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Sept 19, 2017 0:21:39 GMT -5
or.
Cal Poly
4 hr Bus to airport, trip to Illinois 4 hr Bus to airport, trip to Seattle 4 hr Bus to airport, trip to Portland 4 hr Bus to airport, trip to Green Bay 6 hr Bus to Davis 4 hr Bus to LA 4 hr Bus to airport, trip to Hawaii 1 1/2 bus to Santa Barbara! 5 hr Bus to OC 5 hr Bus to Riverside
none of this is knocking Hawaii, btw. just the idea their travel is severely 'taxing' is really a little overblown now they are in the Big West. I don't think anybody seriously begrudges Hawaii for staying put all non-conference, totally makes sense.
the other thing about Hawaii travel in the Big West is they get a LOT of players from SoCal (9 on the roster this year from SoCal) - and having 5 games in LA/OC (and Santa Barbara isn't too far from LA) means half their roster also gets a chance each year to play a fair amount close to their home area.
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Post by ancksunamun on Sept 19, 2017 1:03:12 GMT -5
One of the main reasons Hawai'i stays home the first 4 weeks of the season is MONEY.
The 3 tournaments Hawai'i hosts has sponsors who help accommodate teams who travel to the islands for these tournaments. This is the only way Hawaii can schedule quality teams for RPI reasons without incurring too much expenses. Hawai'i is one of the few volleyball schools that is self sustaining.
The other factor is travel subsidy. Before Hawai'i entered the Mountain West/ Big West, they DID NOT have to pay for their opponent's travel expenses (in the WAC). NOW they are responsible for travel subsidy for conference opponents costing Hawaii nearly 4 million each school year (for all conference sports).
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Post by hapaguy on Sept 19, 2017 1:38:04 GMT -5
Not sure where your getting your info. It's easy enough to check UH's website to see that they take at lease 4 conference trips to the mainland every year and in 2013 they took 5 trips to the mainland and that's not counting the postseason. Like I said, Hawaii does this EVERY YEAR. If you think its no big deal to travel to another time zone 4-5 times a year then so be it. We will have to agree to disagree.... They took 3 trips in 2015, not last year. Dude, everyone travels. Many schools have it much worse than Hawaii. Stop pretending like you're that much more special. Hawaii never has to spend a day sitting in an airport because there's snow/lightning delaying their connecting flights. Hawaii player are missing less class than student athletes at other schools. Look, DUDE, I agree that some teams like WSU this year have brutal road schedules but that is THE EXCEPTION and not the rule. Hawaii has to do it EVERY YEAR. Regarding 2015, yeah that was the year they took only 3 conference trips to the mainland one of which was a 7 day trip...no biggie....
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Post by vup on Sept 19, 2017 1:42:58 GMT -5
Cool poll, bruh
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Post by haw2991 on Sept 19, 2017 1:45:38 GMT -5
They took 3 trips in 2015, not last year. Dude, everyone travels. Many schools have it much worse than Hawaii. Stop pretending like you're that much more special. Hawaii never has to spend a day sitting in an airport because there's snow/lightning delaying their connecting flights. Hawaii player are missing less class than student athletes at other schools. Look, DUDE, I agree that some teams like WSU this year have brutal road schedules but that is THE EXCEPTION and not the rule. Hawaii has to do it EVERY YEAR. Regarding 2015, yeah that was the year they took only 3 conference trips to the mainland one of which was a 7 day trip...no biggie.... ![](http://media.tenor.com/images/f8c04b41fcc26ac51043e13e0665cdc9/tenor.gif)
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Post by gobruins on Sept 19, 2017 6:41:56 GMT -5
One of the main reasons Hawai'i stays home the first 4 weeks of the season is MONEY. The 3 tournaments Hawai'i hosts has sponsors who help accommodate teams who travel to the islands for these tournaments. This is the only way Hawaii can schedule quality teams for RPI reasons without incurring too much expenses. Hawai'i is one of the few volleyball schools that is self sustaining. The other factor is travel subsidy. Before Hawai'i entered the Mountain West/ Big West, they DID NOT have to pay for their opponent's travel expenses (in the WAC). NOW they are responsible for travel subsidy for conference opponents costing Hawaii nearly 4 million each school year (for all conference sports). Hawaii agreed to subsidize the Big West travel to the tune of $4million because they save about $4million on their own travel going to Big West locations as opposed to MWC locations.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Sept 19, 2017 8:11:25 GMT -5
One of the main reasons Hawai'i stays home the first 4 weeks of the season is MONEY. The 3 tournaments Hawai'i hosts has sponsors who help accommodate teams who travel to the islands for these tournaments. This is the only way Hawaii can schedule quality teams for RPI reasons without incurring too much expenses. Hawai'i is one of the few volleyball schools that is self sustaining. The other factor is travel subsidy. Before Hawai'i entered the Mountain West/ Big West, they DID NOT have to pay for their opponent's travel expenses (in the WAC). NOW they are responsible for travel subsidy for conference opponents costing Hawaii nearly 4 million each school year (for all conference sports). the other factor in these schedules is the academic calendar Hawaii is on semester system, so it also makes sense to stay put and minimize time away from class especially due to the trip time for Cal Poly & Washington State - they are quarter system, so even though the non-conference travel is tough the players aren't missing class time during non conference
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