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Post by eazy on Aug 10, 2020 16:03:22 GMT -5
Wolfgang Will there still be All-VT awards with no season? My All-VT list is very small, my All-Villian team is much longer, but my block list is now the longest..
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Post by trainermch on Aug 12, 2020 14:03:16 GMT -5
Wolfgang Will there still be All-VT awards with no season? My All-VT list is very small, my All-Villian team is much longer, but my block list is now the longest.. Yes! People are still posting. VT is still kickin'. *bitch!n
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Post by oldmanred on Aug 12, 2020 16:57:55 GMT -5
Maybe they will go Spring VB!π Then will it be Deja vu? Just wanna know! π£
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Post by oldmanred on Aug 12, 2020 17:11:15 GMT -5
Maybe they will go Spring VB!π Then will it be Deja vu? Just wanna know! π£ Deja vu, in what way? Is this rhetorical? Are you asking me a question, oldman? Are you asking if we're going to vote again in the Spring for All-VT? I'm asking if we will Vote again in the Spring!π
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Post by oldmanred on Aug 12, 2020 17:16:54 GMT -5
I'm asking if we will Vote again in the Spring!π No. We will simply vote at the end of calendar year 2021. Normal schedule. After all, a 2020 All-VT Award goes to posters who were exemplary in the entire calendar year of 2020. So, a 2021 All-VT Award goes to posters who were exemplary in the entire calendar year of 2021. ++++
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Post by vup on Aug 12, 2020 19:11:37 GMT -5
I think it should be postponed. Sure, people are still posting, but imo, part of the awards are for the people who make match threads, in-depth prediction threads, large discussion threads, popular polls about players/teams/conferences/coaches/etc., etc.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 15, 2020 19:35:08 GMT -5
What the hell? There is something messed up in your instructions.
Look, what you should do is hand us a total number of points to spend, like say 300. Then give us some limit on how they are distributed ("no more than 50 points per choice") or even don't do so ("blow all 300 on one pick if you want"). Everybody has the same number of points to distribute.
What you just asked us to to do is pick #1 at 24 points and score the rest at anything from 1-23, meaning we could vote up to 553 points or as little as 47 points. That makes no sense.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 15, 2020 19:42:51 GMT -5
What the hell? There is something messed up in your instructions. Look, what you should do is hand us a total number of points to spend, like say 300. Then give us some limit on how they are distributed ("no more than 50 points per choice") or even don't do so ("blow all 300 on one pick if you want"). Everybody has the same number of points to distribute. What you just asked us to to do is pick #1 at 24 points and score the rest at anything from 1-23, meaning we could vote up to 553 points or as little as 47 points. That makes no sense. That is what I'm asking you to do. Yes, you could vote so that one item gets 24 and the rest gets 1's. If that's how you think the quality of the items shakes out, so be it. Or, you could have the top item at 24 pts and the rest at 23's, if that's how you think the quality shakes out. OK, fine. Archery gets 24 points. All other Olympic sports get 23. Homework done.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 15, 2020 19:59:16 GMT -5
What you are suggesting is that we deliberately devalue our own votes? Why would we do that?
Let's say there is a final list of volleytalk posters and I think 10 of the 24 should win. Why am I going to downvote any of my 10? If there is no limit on how many votes I have, I'm going to give my 10 the maximum number I can. And then I'm going to downvote everybody else as far as I can (1 point) in order to give my 10 the best chance of winning. Or maybe I like all of them, so I just pick one to get 24 and spam 23 on the rest. All you've done is turned this into a slightly more confusing version of what was already there.
I guess I didn't read your initial post carefully enough to see what you were suggesting.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 15, 2020 20:37:19 GMT -5
Your "flex voting" is what is actually called "score voting". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Score_votingIt has some known problems, including that it fails the criteria called the "later-no-harm criterion". What this means is that voting with a middling score for a candidate you don't like as much as your favorites can help your favorites to lose. So if you really want a certain set of candidates to win, the best voting move is to select them all as high as possible and the others as low as possible. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Later-no-harm_criterionBasically, if everybody approaches it with the same idea of what deserves a 24 versus what deserves a 1, and nobody is strategically trying to elect a specific set of winners, then it can make sense. But as soon as somebody does decide they want to elect a specific set of winners, it starts breaking down. You basically see the same thing in the Electoral College. States have no incentive to split their electoral votes as long as other states go all-or-nothing, because that only devalues the votes of the states that split their votes.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 15, 2020 20:49:35 GMT -5
The reason why a set pool of vote points is different is because it doesn't allow the "they were all my favorite!" answer.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 15, 2020 20:54:05 GMT -5
Anyway, look, I'm not offended. I was surprised because I didn't read your proposal carefully enough until you gave us an actual test case. I do propose that you really should have suggested a test case *before* you asked us to vote on whether or not we agreed to the rules, but whatever.
However, I don't feel like doing meaningless "homework", so I guess I'll drop out.
(ps. I still decline eligibility. I was going to do that before I agreed to sign up for this anyway.)
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Post by volleykenzie on Aug 16, 2020 12:17:01 GMT -5
Anyway, look, I'm not offended. I was surprised because I didn't read your proposal carefully enough until you gave us an actual test case. I do propose that you really should have suggested a test case *before* you asked us to vote on whether or not we agreed to the rules, but whatever. However, I don't feel like doing meaningless "homework", so I guess I'll drop out. (ps. I still decline eligibility. I was going to do that before I agreed to sign up for this anyway.) iβm already getting ready for my college work i donβt need more work
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Post by vup on Aug 19, 2020 13:25:38 GMT -5
Just sent in my homework. What happens if I don't pass??
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Post by oldmanred on Aug 21, 2020 13:50:56 GMT -5
Just sent in my homework. What happens if I don't pass?? I think he likes you!
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