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Post by Cruz'n on Nov 26, 2017 7:17:45 GMT -5
My best guess at all PAC team: Plummer Gray Lutz Hentz Sponcil Beuchler Lanier Abercrombie Anae Oblad Smith Shebby Agost LVW/Stone Marshall Mims And Idk who'll represent UW? Dehog and Scambray?? You must be joking not to be including Schwan, who is better than a lot of those players on that list despite not having the dominant year she had last year. The coaches know her from seeing their teams play against her. She's not going to go from POY to not even on the all-PAC team. However, I am starting to come to terms with the apparent fact that the way the UW plays as a team and distributes the ball around is going to continually keep them underestimated on these lists. Somehow, apparently by magic, the UW keeps winning or being right up at the top of the conference and getting high into the NCAA tournament and yet they never seem to have many of the all-PAC players. It's annoying. Most years we have really great players win POY: Bricio, Jupiter (over Rachael Kidder), Klineman, Vansant (over Karsta Lowe), Akinradewo, etc. Last year, IMO, was the weakest POY in recent memory. Just having a good roll shot doesn't do it for me.
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Post by tomclen on Nov 26, 2017 7:21:36 GMT -5
"Just having a good roll shot"!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Frank Sinatra. Just saying doobie-doobie-do doesn't do it for me.
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Post by BeiBei on Nov 26, 2017 7:36:55 GMT -5
You must be joking not to be including Schwan, who is better than a lot of those players on that list despite not having the dominant year she had last year. The coaches know her from seeing their teams play against her. She's not going to go from POY to not even on the all-PAC team. However, I am starting to come to terms with the apparent fact that the way the UW plays as a team and distributes the ball around is going to continually keep them underestimated on these lists. Somehow, apparently by magic, the UW keeps winning or being right up at the top of the conference and getting high into the NCAA tournament and yet they never seem to have many of the all-PAC players. It's annoying. Most years we have really great players win POY: Bricio, Jupiter (over Rachael Kidder), Klineman, Vansant (over Karsta Lowe), Akinradewo, etc. Last year, IMO, was the weakest POY in recent memory. Just having a good roll shot doesn't do it for me. aa a Bruin fan, it is hard to believe UCLA does not have a conference POY since the year first digit is a 2. I can't argue against Jupiter over Kidder or Vansant over Lowe. Jupiter had an amazing year, became the program all time kill leader and AVCA POY. UCLA simply did not finish high enough for Lowe to be pick. My only grip is Morrison over Nana Meriwether in 2006. Nana was the first player to lead the NCAA in hitting percentage and block per game while leading the Bruins in kill per game. Cathy Nelson who covered pac 10 volleyball at that time only considered Thompson, Meriwether, Barboza and Foluke as POY in her article and Morrison was a surprise winner that year
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 26, 2017 8:46:51 GMT -5
You must be joking not to be including Schwan, who is better than a lot of those players on that list despite not having the dominant year she had last year. The coaches know her from seeing their teams play against her. She's not going to go from POY to not even on the all-PAC team. However, I am starting to come to terms with the apparent fact that the way the UW plays as a team and distributes the ball around is going to continually keep them underestimated on these lists. Somehow, apparently by magic, the UW keeps winning or being right up at the top of the conference and getting high into the NCAA tournament and yet they never seem to have many of the all-PAC players. It's annoying. Most years we have really great players win POY: Bricio, Jupiter (over Rachael Kidder), Klineman, Vansant (over Karsta Lowe), Akinradewo, etc. Last year, IMO, was the weakest POY in recent memory. Just having a good roll shot doesn't do it for me. Schwan is possibly the best server (about as many aces as Scambray with half the errors -- 41 aces to 21 errors) on perhaps the best-serving team in the conference. She had the most setting assists of any hitter on the team. She had the most digs per set of any non-libero on the team. She anchored the left side of the net and received half the court on the serve. She is way more than just a hitter with a gimmick roll shot. But none of the usual published volleyball stats reflect all-around performance.
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 26, 2017 8:57:44 GMT -5
Here's the list of ace leaders for the PAC-12 in conference play. (As of Nov 23.)
SERVICE ACES (Minimum 0.10 per set) Player Team Cl S No. Avg/S ------------------------------------------------------- 1. Dempi,Antzela....... CAL SR 62 26 0.42 2. Plummer, Kathryn.... STAN SO 68 26 0.38 3. Lanier, Khalia...... USC SO 59 22 0.37 4. Scambray, Tia....... WASH SR 75 26 0.35 5. May, Mac............ UCLA FR 64 22 0.34 6. Cheshire, Kory...... OSU JR 70 24 0.34 7. Marshall, Mary-Kate. OSU SR 72 22 0.31 8. Schwan, Courtney.... WASH SR 75 21 0.28 9. Gray, Jenna......... STAN SO 68 18 0.26 10. Hojnar, Alex........ ORE SR 74 18 0.24
The reason I post this is because only two of those players had fewer errors than aces. Marshall and Schwan both had about half as many errors as aces. Scambray, Hojnar, and Cheshire had about as many errors as aces. Everyone else had more errors than aces, in some cases as many as 2.5x as many errors as aces.
Tough serving is very important, but there should be some recognition for efficient tough serving.
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Post by wishinwestcoastvb on Nov 26, 2017 10:04:32 GMT -5
Schwan with 2.71 KPS and hitting .221 aren’t all-PAC 12 numbers.
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Post by dawgnerd on Nov 26, 2017 11:23:50 GMT -5
Schwan with 2.71 KPS and hitting .221 aren’t all-PAC 12 numbers. Only if VB is only offense. How many coaches cite the Pass/Serve battle as the one that wins matches. CS is the best OH at that game on a team that leans heavily on that aspect and her particularly for the passing aspect.
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Post by wishinwestcoastvb on Nov 26, 2017 11:38:09 GMT -5
Schwan with 2.71 KPS and hitting .221 aren’t all-PAC 12 numbers. Only if VB is only offense. How many coaches cite the Pass/Serve battle as the one that wins matches. CS is the best OH at that game on a team that leans heavily on that aspect and her particularly for the passing aspect. if the serve and pass battle mattered, there would be more liberos getting awards/people not drooling over a libero’s DPS. Serve and pass is underrated in these selections IMO
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Post by dawgnerd on Nov 26, 2017 12:47:28 GMT -5
Only if VB is only offense. How many coaches cite the Pass/Serve battle as the one that wins matches. CS is the best OH at that game on a team that leans heavily on that aspect and her particularly for the passing aspect. if the serve and pass battle mattered, there would be more liberos getting awards/people not drooling over a libero’s DPS. Serve and pass is underrated in these selections IMO What is missing are stats that actually track and compare these in the box scores. They are on the coaches' stat sheets, but are too subjective and complex for broadly comparative stats. SA, SE and RE are nowhere close to the performance reflection that K and Hit% achieve for hitters. (Of course, this is a time-honored VT discussion whenever awards come up). However, it does not change the relative importance of this aspect of the game. It seems to me that the P12 coaches together are in a pretty good position to understand and assess it.
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Post by scottysocc on Nov 26, 2017 12:53:25 GMT -5
Most years we have really great players win POY: Bricio, Jupiter (over Rachael Kidder), Klineman, Vansant (over Karsta Lowe), Akinradewo, etc. Last year, IMO, was the weakest POY in recent memory. Just having a good roll shot doesn't do it for me. Schwan is possibly the best server (about as many aces as Scambray with half the errors -- 41 aces to 21 errors) on perhaps the best-serving team in the conference. She had the most setting assists of any hitter on the team. She had the most digs per set of any non-libero on the team. She anchored the left side of the net and received half the court on the serve. She is way more than just a hitter with a gimmick roll shot. But none of the usual published volleyball stats reflect all-around performance. I don't disagree that Schwan was certainly deserving of consideration for POY last year. But I do agree with the assessment that she is one of the weakest conference POYs the Pac has seen in several years. I think anyone who can't concede that is being disingenuous or a homer. I also don't think that just because she was POY last year she is any more entitled to 1st team this year than any other player in the conference - though I recognize the fact that she was POY last year makes omitting her entirely this year harder to justify as a voter.
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Post by bolleyvol on Nov 26, 2017 13:23:31 GMT -5
I suspect Stanford will do fine as far as awards, despite a conspicuous lack of player of the week recognition,but I'd like to put in a plug for McClure for the freshman team. She's gotten little notice on this team, but has been a rock as far as passing and defense all year and has come on strong with her hitting towards the end of the season. With any luck she'll grow 4 or 5 inches in the offseason.
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Post by dokterrudi on Nov 26, 2017 13:50:25 GMT -5
I suspect Stanford will do fine as far as awards, despite a conspicuous lack of player of the week recognition,but I'd like to put in a plug for McClure for the freshman team. She's gotten little notice on this team, but has been a rock as far as passing and defense all year and has come on strong with her hitting towards the end of the season. With any luck she'll grow 4 or 5 inches in the offseason. Agreed, her defense is better then Keefes and she hits more aggressively I really enjoy watching her play. Very coachable, and gives the Card a twist.
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 26, 2017 17:05:09 GMT -5
Schwan with 2.71 KPS and hitting .221 aren’t all-PAC 12 numbers. I know. That's what I was saying above -- the problem is that those numbers don't measure the overall contribution she made.
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Post by volleyball303 on Nov 26, 2017 17:10:19 GMT -5
Is it set at 16 make it or can that number very?
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 26, 2017 17:12:03 GMT -5
Updated for the latest pablo rankings, as provided by Rich Kern in another thread.
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