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Post by TuesdayGone on Dec 22, 2017 23:35:44 GMT -5
Statistically one of the biggest differences in men vs women in athletics is the ability to throw a ball.
From the book "The Sports Gene" If you took 1,000 men off the street, 997 of them would be able to throw a baseball faster than the average woman .
The fastest ever recorded pitch ever by a woman is 69mph. For a man it is 106 mph.
FYI...almost every highschool boy playing baseball can throw faster than 69mph.
If Serena Williams (widely regarded as the greatest women's tennis player ever) played Tennis vs Men...she would be ranked as an average division 1 man.
The record for a quarter mile, so one lap around outdoor track, for 9 year old boys and girl is identical, and by 14 it’s like 5 seconds different or something like that. In a race, that’s under a minute.
The answer is pretty simple. Have a league for XX chromosomes
Another league for all others
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 22, 2017 23:52:14 GMT -5
Statistically one of the biggest differences in men vs women in athletics is the ability to throw a ball. From the book "The Sports Gene" If you took 1,000 men off the street, 997 of them would be able to throw a baseball faster than the average woman . The fastest ever recorded pitch ever by a woman is 69mph. For a man it is 106 mph. FYI...almost every highschool boy playing baseball can throw faster than 69mph. If Serena Williams (widely regarded as the greatest women's tennis player ever) played Tennis vs Men...she would be ranked as an average division 1 man. The record for a quarter mile, so one lap around outdoor track, for 9 year old boys and girl is identical, and by 14 it’s like 5 seconds different or something like that. In a race, that’s under a minute. The answer is pretty simple. Have a league for XX chromosomes Another league for all others And 47,XXX and 45,X0? 46,XX male disorder of sexual development? Do you advocate chromosomal testing of all athletes to verify 46,XX karyotype?
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 23, 2017 0:44:00 GMT -5
Statistically one of the biggest differences in men vs women in athletics is the ability to throw a ball. From the book "The Sports Gene" If you took 1,000 men off the street, 997 of them would be able to throw a baseball faster than the average woman . The fastest ever recorded pitch ever by a woman is 69mph. For a man it is 106 mph. FYI...almost every highschool boy playing baseball can throw faster than 69mph. I'm not sure if it was that book or another one, but I read that when they had guys in Brazil try to throw a ball, almost all of them "threw like a girl" (as they say here in the US), with an inefficient arm motion that didn't involve the legs. Turned out that none of them had ever learned how to throw a ball hard, because they all played soccer.
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Post by TuesdayGone on Dec 23, 2017 1:40:03 GMT -5
Statistically one of the biggest differences in men vs women in athletics is the ability to throw a ball. From the book "The Sports Gene" If you took 1,000 men off the street, 997 of them would be able to throw a baseball faster than the average woman . The fastest ever recorded pitch ever by a woman is 69mph. For a man it is 106 mph. FYI...almost every highschool boy playing baseball can throw faster than 69mph. I'm not sure if it was that book or another one, but I read that when they had guys in Brazil try to throw a ball, almost all of them "threw like a girl" (as they say here in the US), with an inefficient arm motion that didn't involve the legs. Turned out that none of them had ever learned how to throw a ball hard, because they all played soccer. Haspel cites research by University of North Texas professor Jerry Thomas that found “the overhand throwing gap, beginning at 4 years of age, is three times the difference of any other motor task.” And the gap just gets bigger as girls and boys become women and men. By age 15, Thomas says, nearly every boy "throws better than the best girl.” His research shows that nurture does play a role—in many cultures, boys are more likely to be trained in throwing than girls are, essentially from birth. But among “aboriginal Australian children, who grow up in a culture where both men and women hunt, and both sexes throw from childhood,” while the gap in both throwing technique and projectile velocity might be smaller, it's still significant.
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 23, 2017 1:53:37 GMT -5
I'm not sure if it was that book or another one, but I read that when they had guys in Brazil try to throw a ball, almost all of them "threw like a girl" (as they say here in the US), with an inefficient arm motion that didn't involve the legs. Turned out that none of them had ever learned how to throw a ball hard, because they all played soccer. Haspel cites research by University of North Texas professor Jerry Thomas that found “the overhand throwing gap, beginning at 4 years of age, is three times the difference of any other motor task.” And the gap just gets bigger as girls and boys become women and men. By age 15, Thomas says, nearly every boy "throws better than the best girl.” His research shows that nurture does play a role—in many cultures, boys are more likely to be trained in throwing than girls are, essentially from birth. But among “aboriginal Australian children, who grow up in a culture where both men and women hunt, and both sexes throw from childhood,” while the gap in both throwing technique and projectile velocity might be smaller, it's still significant. I'm not trying to say that men aren't biologically different than women. I expect that the research you mention is accurate. Of course, the issue at hand is not about letting male athletes play in women's matches. It's about letting M->F transgender athletes who have had a significant amount of time on hormonal therapy play in women's matches. What is the research on that?
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Post by TuesdayGone on Dec 23, 2017 2:02:54 GMT -5
Haspel cites research by University of North Texas professor Jerry Thomas that found “the overhand throwing gap, beginning at 4 years of age, is three times the difference of any other motor task.” And the gap just gets bigger as girls and boys become women and men. By age 15, Thomas says, nearly every boy "throws better than the best girl.” His research shows that nurture does play a role—in many cultures, boys are more likely to be trained in throwing than girls are, essentially from birth. But among “aboriginal Australian children, who grow up in a culture where both men and women hunt, and both sexes throw from childhood,” while the gap in both throwing technique and projectile velocity might be smaller, it's still significant. I'm not trying to say that men aren't biologically different than women. I expect that the research you mention is accurate. Of course, the issue at hand is not about letting male athletes play in women's matches. It's about letting M->F transgender athletes who have had a significant amount of time on hormonal therapy play in women's matches. What is the research on that? That there are MAJOR advantages.
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 23, 2017 2:13:54 GMT -5
I'm not trying to say that men aren't biologically different than women. I expect that the research you mention is accurate. Of course, the issue at hand is not about letting male athletes play in women's matches. It's about letting M->F transgender athletes who have had a significant amount of time on hormonal therapy play in women's matches. What is the research on that? That there are MAJOR advantages. Author and journal of the paper?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2017 12:25:49 GMT -5
This is actually bad for Trans people and their movement as it will cause backlash. Everytime she is in a match where they win the question of unfair advantage will always come up. Even a layman can see the extra power she has in her kills. UC Santa Cruz in Division 3 had a transgender girl play for them last year, name was Chloe Anderson. There was a documentary about her. She didn't dominate or anything as the team had a losing record. Most Division 1 NCAA schools won't go near recruiting a transgender as it brings up issues of title nine and other unwanted publicity. But a pro league is a business, shouldn't they get to do whatever they want let how their sponsors attendance etc. dictate how far they go with it? They could put a rule in restricting height of a transgender athlete or the amount they can have on one team. Or how about restricting the amount of points a transgender athlete can play. I completely disagree. If you let transgender people play, then you let them play. If you don't, you don't. But it's asinine to say "transgender people are allowed to play, but only if they aren't any good at it". I completely agree - Let them play. Quite a few years ago I remember a transgender team that played men's open division club in Southern California. They were very good but not the best, however they had one player that was as good as any top player of that time. This player waspicked up often by other top open club teams to fill a spot on their rosters in tournaments and stood out every time. I'm all for gender equality and being entertained by exceptional talent no matter who or where they are from. With the athletic performance talent and statistics I have seen reported on this very board I don't see why this is any problem at all.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Dec 26, 2017 17:01:01 GMT -5
30 points in a 5-setter this weekend. In 2 matches as a starter, averaging 6.11 points per set.
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Post by huskerholiday on Dec 26, 2017 20:44:41 GMT -5
I am confused. Should women over 6’5 not be allowed to play? She is a women with male genetics . That is a fact like it or not.
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 26, 2017 21:09:40 GMT -5
I am confused. Should women over 6’5 not be allowed to play? She is a women with male genetics . That is a fact like it or not. And she is legally a woman. You may be the one who doesn’t like the reality of that situation, but that is the way it is
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Post by huskerholiday on Dec 26, 2017 21:22:32 GMT -5
She is a women with male genetics . That is a fact like it or not. And she is legally a woman. You may be the one who doesn’t like the reality of that situation, but that is the way it is You are so in love with being poltically correct arent you but that DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACTS. Genetically she is a he and when we start going down this road,it will be disastrous for womens sports and yes....its like women taking sports enhancement drugs only much greater.
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 26, 2017 21:29:14 GMT -5
And she is legally a woman. You may be the one who doesn’t like the reality of that situation, but that is the way it is You are so in love with being poltically correct arent you but that DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACTS. Genetically she is a he and when we start going down this road,it will be disastrous for womens sports and yes....its like women taking sports enhancement drugs only much greater. I am in love with being normal and not hating people I don’t know. Good luck taking your concerns up with FIVB. I am not the person you need to be crying to.
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Post by huskerholiday on Dec 26, 2017 21:36:32 GMT -5
You are so in love with being poltically correct arent you but that DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACTS. Genetically she is a he and when we start going down this road,it will be disastrous for womens sports and yes....its like women taking sports enhancement drugs only much greater. I am in love with being normal and not hating people I don’t know. Good luck taking your concerns up with FIVB. I am not the person you need to be crying to. With all due respect it has absolutely nothing to do with hating people or being,'normal.' It has to do with being completely fair when it comes to sports. Example. If Bruce Jenner would have chosen to become a women before his olympic competition would that have been fair?
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 26, 2017 21:46:50 GMT -5
I am in love with being normal and not hating people I don’t know. Good luck taking your concerns up with FIVB. I am not the person you need to be crying to. With all due respect it has absolutely nothing to do with hating people or being,'normal.' It has to do with being completely fair when it comes to sports. Example. If Bruce Jenner would have chosen to become a women before his olympic competition would that have been fair? The first transgender athlete competed in women’s sports about 40 years ago. In the past 40 years has there been some major problem with transgender women taking over women’s sports that I am unaware of?? Again, use your energy to complain to the IOC/CAS/FIVB because you won’t be changing my mind here on VT. Happy Holidays
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