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Post by volleyball303 on Dec 26, 2017 23:06:30 GMT -5
She is a women with male genetics . That is a fact like it or not. And she is legally a woman. You may be the one who doesn’t like the reality of that situation, but that is the way it is ^^^^^ the reason we have an Orange Cheeto as our president. All for progressive ideas but even I (a progressive) can see that it has gone too far. It would be like a woman taking roids from the age of 16-23 then quitting and competing against other women at 24.
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 26, 2017 23:10:30 GMT -5
And she is legally a woman. You may be the one who doesn’t like the reality of that situation, but that is the way it is ^^^^^ the reason we have an Orange Cheeto as our president. All for progressive ideas but even I (a progressive) can see that it has gone too far. It would be like a woman taking roids from the age of 16-23 then quitting and competing against other women at 24. Your analogy is as weak as your political analysis. We have the Orange Cheeto because we have a disengaged electorate and the electoral college. He lost the popular vote, remember?
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Post by volleyball303 on Dec 26, 2017 23:15:04 GMT -5
If you take this blog more people are against her playing then letting her play. The article was on Yahoo News and some one commented that it was totally unfair and against women sports and it had like 3,234 thumbs up and 56 yes 56 thumbs down. Sorry man you are on the wrong side of history with this one.
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Post by jcvball22 on Dec 26, 2017 23:27:41 GMT -5
If you take this blog more people are against her playing then letting her play. The article was on Yahoo News and some one commented that it was totally unfair and against women sports and it had like 3,234 thumbs up and 56 yes 56 thumbs down. Sorry man you are on the wrong side of history with this one. Your "feelings" are not important in this case. The national and international governing bodies, who have significantly more information than you or a bunch of people voting "thumbs up" on a Yahoo article (how in the world do you think you are making a point with that?!?), have come to a consensus on the subject and have written rules and protocols to deal with such a situation. If the athlete meets the guidelines, then they get to play. Period.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2017 23:40:34 GMT -5
If you take this blog more people are against her playing then letting her play. The article was on Yahoo News and some one commented that it was totally unfair and against women sports and it had like 3,234 thumbs up and 56 yes 56 thumbs down. Sorry man you are on the wrong side of history with this one. Hahahahaha.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2017 23:41:32 GMT -5
30 points in a 5-setter this weekend. In 2 matches as a starter, averaging 6.11 points per set. Kudos to that setter btw.
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Post by Scipio Aemilianus on Dec 26, 2017 23:42:38 GMT -5
The article was on Yahoo News and some one commented that it was totally unfair and against women sports and it had like 3,234 thumbs up and 56 yes 56 thumbs down. Wow.
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 27, 2017 0:37:07 GMT -5
If you take this blog more people are against her playing then letting her play. The article was on Yahoo News and some one commented that it was totally unfair and against women sports and it had like 3,234 thumbs up and 56 yes 56 thumbs down. Sorry man you are on the wrong side of history with this one. Thumbs up and thumbs down on Yahoo News means something about what is right and wrong? Wow!
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 27, 2017 0:38:06 GMT -5
If you take this blog more people are against her playing then letting her play. The article was on Yahoo News and some one commented that it was totally unfair and against women sports and it had like 3,234 thumbs up and 56 yes 56 thumbs down. Sorry man you are on the wrong side of history with this one. Your "feelings" are not important in this case. The national and international governing bodies, who have significantly more information than you or a bunch of people voting "thumbs up" on a Yahoo article (how in the world do you think you are making a point with that?!?), have come to a consensus on the subject and have written rules and protocols to deal with such a situation. If the athlete meets the guidelines, then they get to play. Period. Hallelujah!
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Post by ballervolley on Dec 27, 2017 4:33:15 GMT -5
just curious and i don't know if this question has been asked since i haven't read through this whole thing, but could there possibly be a team with all transgender women as a womens team?
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 27, 2017 4:38:04 GMT -5
just curious and i don't know if this question has been asked since i haven't read through this whole thing, but could there possibly be a team with all transgender women as a womens team? Yes, there *could* be. But unless you are counting a rec league team down at your local gym, there is no evidence that a significant number of people can both play high level volleyball and also are M->F transgender. A sample size of "1" does not lead to entire teams of such players.
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Post by volleyball303 on Dec 27, 2017 7:32:53 GMT -5
Players in the league are coming forward and saying she is at an unfair level to play against. It’s not a closed case issue. As soon as stronger and stronger transgenders start popping up it will be looked at closer. If she makes the Brazilian Olympic team and they win it will bring more attention to the issue. If she does goes a dominants at an Olympic level it will hurt their cause. From watching video she very well could be the best player/hitter in Brazilian.
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Post by volleyball303 on Dec 27, 2017 7:38:44 GMT -5
Your "feelings" are not important in this case. The national and international governing bodies, who have significantly more information than you or a bunch of people voting "thumbs up" on a Yahoo article (how in the world do you think you are making a point with that?!?), have come to a consensus on the subject and have written rules and protocols to deal with such a situation. If the athlete meets the guidelines, then they get to play. Period. Hallelujah! I was not making a case for or against her playing. I was simply pointing out to doubletrojan that the way he feels about this topic is in the minority. Plus public opinion is huge on social issue decisions.
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Post by ciscokeed on Dec 27, 2017 8:54:54 GMT -5
I struggle with this one...a person has a right to be the gender they feel they truly are-but it’s such a tough call in sport...and it’s not like you can start a transgender league. The genetic advantages are significant...my gut instinct is that it is an unfair advantage in sport- but a rough go in life. This requires the wisdom of Solomon! I confess that I am uncomfortable with the physical edge of the transgender athlete. It wouldn’t matter in so many other walks in life. It does matter in sport
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 27, 2017 9:35:03 GMT -5
I struggle with this one...a person has a right to be the gender they feel they truly are-but it’s such a tough call in sport...and it’s not like you can start a transgender league. The genetic advantages are significant...my gut instinct is that it is an unfair advantage in sport- but a rough go in life. This requires the wisdom of Solomon! I confess that I am uncomfortable with the physical edge of the transgender athlete. It wouldn’t matter in so many other walks in life. It does matter in sport Being 6'6'' is an unfair advantage in women's volleyball. What if I said that it's simply not fair for us to allow players over 6'3'' to compete with other women. That would be silly, right? So what's the difference? I think the main issue is here is that the people who oppose her playing don't really think she's a woman. That's the real question here -- if women's sports are supposed to only be for women, how do we define "women"? Well, under the current definition, Abreu is a woman and eligible to play. The burden is on anyone who doesn't think she should be eligible to play to come up with a proposed definition of "woman" that is objective, testable, dignified, and acceptable to the sporting world. If you can't do that, then you're going to have to learn to live with the definition we now have.
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